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Delta
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 Posted: 06-Jun-2005 19:26 Post subject: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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Heres a big destroyer with a lump of firepower, but somewhat lacking in speed.
AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Mirage Class Super Destroyer
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 1,000,000 tons
Hull: Lockheed/CBM Destroyer
K-F Drive System: KF Mark XXV
Length: 905 meters
Power Plant: Lockheed Super Fusion Standard
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Armor Type: Durallex Assault Ferro-carbide
Armament:
260 Diverse Optics Type 20 Large Pulse Laser
40 Firestorm Laser AMS
28 Lightning Strike Heavy NPPC
Manufacturer: Lockheed/CBM Corporation Warship Division
Location: Coventry
Communications System: Lockheed/CBM Comset 100 Ultra
Targeting & Tracking System: Lockheed/CBM Targeting System
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==Overview:==
The Mirage Class Super Destroyer is devloped by Lockheed/CBM as a bold move
into the Warship industry. The Mirage is expected to compliment the lighter
vessels in the LAAF fleet with its massive firepower.
==Capabilities:==
Drawing the bulk of its firepower from an impressive 14 Heavy Naval PPCs on
either side of the vessel, providing it massive broadside firepower. A mass of
260 Large Pulse Lasers mounted in turrets of 5 guns quickly swat down
fighters, and 40 LAMSes located all around the vessel keep missiles, capital
or standard, from reaching the hull to the best of their ability. 27 Aerospace
Fighters provide an impressive Aerospace compliment. 50 Marines and 8 Battle
Armor Marines protect against boarding.
Carrying a modest 2473.25 tons of cargo and 6 small craft, the Mirage doesn't
carry much in the way of cargo, but, it carries a year of fuel and food and
can serve as a host to 10 dropships, and relies completely on beam weapons.
The extra cargo space is often used to hold munitions for other fighters and
ships in the fleet.
Also impressive is the fact that the whole vessel is gravitated, and carries a
lithium fusion battery, and spacious private crew quaters. The first of two of
these craft, the LSF Demolisher, is slated to have its keel laid down in 3072,
but the blueprints were finished in 3067.
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Class/Model/Name: Mirage Class Super Destroyer
Mass: 1,000,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 240,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 20) 452,500.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 10,000.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F) .00
Structural Integrity: 140 140,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 4,640 Double 3,903.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 14,714.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 2,500.00
Fire Control Computers: 17,048.00
Food & Water: (365 days supply) 916.25
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Ferro-carbide (2,324 total armor pts) 2,799.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 362
Fore-Left/Right: 400/400
Aft-Left/Right: 400/400
Aft: 362
Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (27) with 27 doors 4,050.00
Bay 2: Small Craft (8) with 8 doors 1,600.00
Bay 3: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 2,473.25
DropShip Capacity: 10 Docking Hardpoints 10,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 5: (250-meter diameter) 500.00
Escape Pods: 90 (7 tons each) 630.00
Crew and Passengers:
60 Officers (58 minimum) 600.00
200 Crew (185 minimum) 1,400.00
90 Gunners (78 minimum) 630.00
50 Marines 250.00
8 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 56.00
94 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Laser AMS Nose -- -- -- -- 60 7.50
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Laser AMS FL/R -- -- -- -- 120 15.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Laser AMS L/RBS -- -- -- -- 120 15.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 30 30 30 30 900 12,000.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 100 70.00
5 Laser AMS AL/R -- -- -- -- 120 15.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(45) 5(45) -- -- 50 35.00
5 Laser AMS Aft -- -- -- -- 60 7.50
1 Lot Spare Parts (0.75%) 7,500.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 9,380 1,000,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 31,931,056,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 154,081
Cost per BV: 207,235.52
Weapon Value: 123,526 (Ratio = .80)
Damage Factors: SRV = 6,378; MRV = 5,931; LRV = 3,001; ERV = 1,202
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 658,365
(156,975 Structure, 310,350 Life Support, 191,040 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 404,020 (61% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2005 20:52 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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That's not a Destroyer, it's a Heavy Cruiser! Everybody run! 
And, at least comparing to the old 2750 warships, that's still pretty fast. Most ships of that size (and many smaller) go only 3/5 or 2/3.
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Delta
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2005 21:01 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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Shut up ...
The SL ships had about 7025.423852659825689265 too many tons of cargo...
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2005 05:22 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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I don't see anything slow about this. It's downright speedy for its size. Though it's more of a battlecruiser than a destroyer.
It's damned expensive, though. So expensive that the extra cost of the HPG isn't really noticeable, which is saying something.
A few questions, though.
What's "LSF" stand for?
What do you mean by "the whole ship is gravitated?"
Why the odd number of fighters?
And what exactly are only eight battle armor troopers going to do?
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2005 10:37 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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I think that the cargo was there to help with supplying spare parts and other things for whole battle group during prolonged operations. The ship is relatively safe, sitting comfortably on the orbit, acting as main supply depot and almost unassailable fortress(its hard to attack ships on the orbit, when there are enemy ground forces on planet and most fighters are probably destroyed or occupied with ground support and enemy fighters).
It also helped Kerensky with moving whole army out of the IS.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2005 18:07 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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On 2005-06-07 10:37, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
I think that the cargo was there to help with supplying spare parts and other things for whole battle group during prolonged operations.
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Maybe. But I think that the only possible explanation of Star League ships and their cargo is that the guys who came up with the designs were using too many hallucinogenic drugs.
The McKenna alone has over 200,000 tons of cargo. There's no reason for that. Or the Vincent. 31,000 tons of cargo, and it has almost no armor at all; losing cargo tonnage for amor would make it a viable combat vessel. I even seem to remember a Star League WarShip which had some 50,000 tons of cargo, barely any weapons, and no aft armor at all. The things are like armed freighters, not WarShips.
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2005 20:08 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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On 2005-06-07 18:07, StarRaven wrote:
But I think that the only possible explanation of Star League ships and their cargo is that the guys who came up with the designs were using too many hallucinogenic drugs.
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It's the same reason that the Overlord, the biggest dropship listed in TRO: 3025 weighs in at less than 10,000 tons, when the max weight is 50,000.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2005 03:16 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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I don't think that the biggest is always the best and in 3025 most powerful dropships are usually destroyed because they presented primary target. I don't know who would build them, if producing the Overlords is too costly.
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Delta
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| Posted: 18-Jun-2005 18:11 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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On 2005-06-07 05:22, StarRaven wrote:
I don't see anything slow about this. It's downright speedy for its size. Though it's more of a battlecruiser than a destroyer.
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Right
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A few questions, though.
What's "LSF" stand for?
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Me typing at 2:00 am?
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What do you mean by "the whole ship is gravitated?"
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Nuff grav decks so that the whole ship has gravity when not accelerating
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Why the odd number of fighters?
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Just becase...
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And what exactly are only eight battle armor troopers going to do?
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Defend VERY key areas...
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| Posted: 18-Jun-2005 18:34 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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Two for the bridge, and two for the engine room or armory. There are eight so they can have rotating shifts and give round-the-clock coverage.
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bladewind
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| Posted: 19-Jun-2005 21:59 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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isn't cargo space directly linked to the amount of fighters you have ?
I heard its like 200 tons of space per fighter. So for 27 fighters you need about 5400 tons of cargo space.
And yeah, i guess most stock Warships have massive cargo space, otherwise how did Kerensky pull out of IS space so easily ?
Same for Clan Ghost Bear as well.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 20-Jun-2005 02:52 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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On 2005-06-19 21:59, bladewind wrote:
isn't cargo space directly linked to the amount of fighters you have ?
I heard its like 200 tons of space per fighter. So for 27 fighters you need about 5400 tons of cargo space.
And yeah, i guess most stock Warships have massive cargo space, otherwise how did Kerensky pull out of IS space so easily ?
Same for Clan Ghost Bear as well.
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The 200 tons per fighter is the accepted minimum for each fighter around here; it is not a offical requirement.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 24-Jun-2005 12:05 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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On 2005-06-19 21:59, bladewind wrote:
isn't cargo space directly linked to the amount of fighters you have ?
I heard its like 200 tons of space per fighter. So for 27 fighters you need about 5400 tons of cargo space.
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I thought that the fighter bay weights 150t with the fighter 
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| Posted: 24-Jun-2005 12:31 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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The bay itself weighs 150 tons. They are referring to the cargo bay that most people allocate to carrying the fighter's supplies (fuel, ammo, spare parts, etc). The established norm on this board is to have 200 tons of cargo for every fighter.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 24-Jun-2005 13:04 Post subject: RE: Mirage Class Super Destroyer |
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Is there some norm for mechs and vehicles?
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