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jymset
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 Posted: 10-Feb-2005 09:06 Post subject: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Hi guys. I've been playing BT for almost 9 years now. I've only ever designed a half-dozen or so 'mechs.
I love using stock designs, they are part of the universe that sucked me in, and it is part of the flavour of the game to make do with them.
But there are several designs that I do have and some of those I've submitted. I would be most honoured if you could review them and tell me what you think - possibly in the TRO section, but use this thread for any further discussion!
Here is my .5 'mech. Back when starting BT, I came up with this version of the Daishi. It seemed to me to be absolutely common sense. I mean, without going into any heavy maths, I can tell you it uses up ALL the weight, ALL the crits, and single-mindedly deploys one of the deadliest weapons. Common sense? Yes. Deadly? Yes. Have I ever seen this on the net? Strangely, no. (That's the only reason for submitting it) Am I ever going to use it? Not likely.....
But I hope the fluff is ok! 
http://www.mordel.net/tro/mech.php?mid=1653
Now, this one will cause this with most of you serious gamers: 
However, this was merely an excercise in brutality. It carries the soon-to-be-famous label "20% more single-minded than Gauszilla" (tm). Seriously, this is another old design, I came up with it before ever hearing about that fable called Gauszilla. It is basically my result of trying to squeeze as much firepower as possible on a single chassis. Hey, this is munchy as all buggery. And it's meant to be! And no, once again, I've not used it!
I hope the fluff is ok. It was originally going to be a Jagermech IIC, but MFUK has one of those. I did what I could....
http://www.mordel.net/tro/mech.php?mid=1652
Ok, the final one. This one has a bit of passion in it. The name isn't original, but it was designed that way, and it might as well carry that name. I tried giving the fluff a good shot. And, even though I made it as mean as possible, I hope none of you consider it munchy. HELL! In order for it to be liked, I even stayed away from mini-maxing it!! Yes, it could mount .5 tons more armour. Just use 1 CASE and mount the AC ammo in the same torso as the gauss. But really, be honest, that would not feel as "right". So, it ends up having an armour protection that is not quite the maximum. I still think it is quite tough. Yes, this one I've used (though against IS opponents) and it was *very* effective.
Before you go and judge it, let me just go back to the basic idea. Even in 3050, the IS had several weapons that did a good job next to the Clans' equivalents. The LB-10X and the Gauss both have exactly the same performance. They are merely heavier and more bulky. And (as I've talked about in a thread in the general forum) the standard ML was actually not a half-bad weapon. So, I simply tried filling a 'mech with that weaponry. The ML are there as a quintet to justify their existence - 5 make for a potential 25 damage, more than an AC20. 4 would just not have been enough! Hey, it is slow and the armour isn't max. But with a standard engine and CASE, it is still very, very tough.
Finally, I gave it a fluff (parts of which I had determined earlier on, in 2002 - this is a more recent design) that I hope comes up to scratch with my love for this design. Yes, that factory and planet, they exist in the fiction.
http://www.mordel.net/tro/mech.php?mid=1655
Have fun, and be kind to them. Well, at least the last one! If these go ok, I have another 2-3 that I may consider posting. Those would include a light design  !
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jymset
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| Posted: 10-Feb-2005 17:56 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Actually, a critique aimed at the Blackjack. I just looked at it again: it strikes me that there are three crits left. That means that I could ditch the XL, add endo-steel, making it tougher and enabling it to field an extra ton of armour!
It would fit better with the whole IIC-line, too....
Gee, goes to show that this is a really old design that I dug up..... 
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ralgith
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| Posted: 10-Feb-2005 20:16 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Heh, I looked over a few of your designs... I liked the Dire Wolf P, except one thing. It really should have varied sized lasers  instead of all LPLs. Still, good idea, since it does fit with the fluff.
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jymset
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| Posted: 11-Feb-2005 10:57 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Here is one of the reviews for the Daishi P:
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On 2005-02-10, Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
Nice fluff, and I'm really suprised nobody came up with this sooner (as I am with most obvious things).
My only possible complant would be the location of the weapons. If one arm is lost, half the weapons are gone. Also, the flamer is in an inconvenient place. Not only would firing it make the cockpit unbearably hot, but the flame would obscure part of the pilot's vision.
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Well, I know that mounting the weapons exclusively in the arms isn't all that great. But really, it only carries multiples of one weapon system. And all other Daishis have their primary weapons in the arms, the shoulder boxes carrying only back-up missiles (or small ACs as in the B). I decided it would not fit the design to arbitrarily split up weapons that are of the same design.
The flamer.... Well, Daishis frequently carry auxiliary weapons in their heads (that's the small barrel on the model!). Except for the Prime, that is. Well, frankly, that is the only place where the flamer would fit. And why a flamer and not an ERSL? It wouldn't be a contest under normal condition, but this design is maxed out with lasers, anyway, so I thought I'd go for a little versatility. And the Berserker is another 100-tonner which mounts a flamer there, so there is a precedence of it happening.
Thanks for the review!
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The AC5 is a great gun!
On heat, 3025 style:
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Seraph
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| Posted: 11-Feb-2005 19:36 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Aye but the Berserker's flamer is placed for intimidation. It can achieve speeds of 80 kph and wields a huge axe. Imagine if you will you come upon a 100 ton mech in the distance, you open fire with some long ranged weapons which the mech returns with it's ER PPC. Then as it lumbers closer it charges you with a burst of speed raises it's axe above it's head and breathe FIRE!!!
Did you just wet yourself? 
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ralgith
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| Posted: 11-Feb-2005 19:46 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I've ever posted |
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No, I shot the arm with the hatchet off.
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jymset
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 02:47 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Well, the above designs got good marks. But only a total of 6 reviews. If anyone is bored, could you please look at them?
I just submitted my light 'mech. Yes, once again it goes for firepower, it is in fact a fire-support machine. I hope you will like it anyway. I'll post the link as soon as Mordel puts it up.
edit: got the nos of reviews wrong
[ This Message was edited by: jymset on 2005-02-21 04:05 ]
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Erenon
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 03:06 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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On 2005-02-21 02:47, jymset wrote:
If anyone is bored, could you please look at them?
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That would have been me 
Nice designs you have there Jymset, can't wait to see this new light mech.
More mediums?
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jymset
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 04:14 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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hehehe
HEY! I already owned up in the other thread that I don't have any mediums. Well, one, that I actually used. Called the Conceptmech (!!). See, I had my 90-tonner, 100-tonner (yet to come - that one is a very finely tuned design) that I wanted to use, my 25-tonner as a joke, I needed another 45-tonner to bring me up to the desired weight. It took me like 1 minute to think it up. I then modified it later to 40 tons, makes it more efficient.
However, at no time ave I felt any pride for it. The 'mechs I've submitted so far all have some 'meat' - the Blackjack is an excercise in firepower. The Daishi (which I never view as 'my' design) I feel pride for, just because of having discovered a really, really good and practical configuration (I think). Hey - logistically, that one would be easier to support than any of the standard variants! With the Clankiller I started on a very valid premise. I stuck to it and it turned into a good (and, IMO, not overly munchy) 'mech. To post it here, I made it less munchy (in my game, it had one ton less of gauss ammo, and only one CASE, with the LB-X ammo being in the Gauss torso, giving it an additional 1.5 tons of armour) so it would become more fluffy!
The Rifleboy (oh dear, what a name!) was also an excercise in firepower. Quite cute.
But the Conceptmech..... The concept was to fill a certain tonnage..... Not that the design itself isn't good. It is. But.....
And on that topic:
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jymset
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 04:24 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Last night I sat around procrastinating (have an exam today), and thought of the general opinion that we need more mediums. So I thought of two lvl1 designs that could be good. It took me less than 5 minutes for the both of them (using good old pen n paper method). My question: where is the life in them? So: Why bother?
No.1 - Mini-Warhammer (inspired by the fluff of the Vindicator)
Tonnage: 50
Internal S: 5
Engine: 200: 8.5
Cockpit + Gyro: 5
Heat sinks: 18: 8
Armour: 9.5 (distribute as you wish)
Weapons: 2 PPCs: 14 (arms, no HA)
TOTAL: 50. Same long-range fire-power as Warhammer, same HS, same speed, almost same armour, 20 tons lighter.
No.2 - Mini-....er...Max? Yes, that's it! Mini-Max. Cause everyone loves med 5/8/5ers and the 200 engine is so efficient!
Tonnage: 40
Internal S: 4
Engine: 200: 8.5
Cockpit + Gyro: 5
Heat sinks: 16: 6
Armour: 8 (distribute as you wish)
5 JJ: 2.5 (CT, 2 R/LL each)
Weapons: 4 ML: 4 (H, CT, R/LT)
Weapons: 4 SL: 2 (2 R/LT each)
TOTAL: 40. Same armour as Whitworth, speed as any generic 55-tonner. Short range firepower in excess of any other medium apart from the Hunchback. I chose 4 ML and 4 SL with 6 extra HS over 5 ML and 7 extra HS. For this design, that weaponry affords more flexibility in terms of heat usage, as well as better symmetry/use of crit slots (ie, filling both CT and H without using asymmetric allocation).
So, what do you think?
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The AC5 is a great gun!
On heat, 3025 style:
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 04:46 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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No.1 - Mini-Warhammer (inspired by the fluff of the Vindicator)
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Hey, atleast you have that to say. my attempts were just plain lunacy of the moment.
http://www.mordel.net/barandgrill/viewtopic.php?topic=3668&forum=3&post=37556
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 06:14 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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| thats alot of designs. :shocked: and i like the idea of an 80 klick little atlas.
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jymset
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2005 13:33 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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On 2005-02-21 03:06, Erenon wrote:
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On 2005-02-21 02:47, jymset wrote:
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That would have been me
Nice designs you have there Jymset, can't wait to see this new light mech.
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Ah, I forgot my manners: THANK YOU, ERENON!
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More mediums?
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Well, you got me. In honour of your, well, nagging, I also submitted the Conceptmech. Nothing special, but hey, you asked for it!
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jymset
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 02:52 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Erenon? In your face: 
http://www.mordel.net/tro/mech.php?mid=1718
The Conceptmech. Once again, the "concept" was to fill in a lance! I do actually think it is a half-decent design. But beware! The fluff is not up there with the others! There is simply not as much interest in it from my side....
Well, and as promised, here is the Rifleboy, a light fire-support 'mech that is meant to replace/reinforce the Rifleman!
http://www.mordel.net/tro/mech.php?mid=1714
In the fluff, I mentioned a Clan variant of it (seeing as it is a Wolf's Dragoons design), so I submitted that as well. Please don't forget that the Dragoons have their own variant, before you start giving the above bad marks for being IS tech!
http://www.mordel.net/tro/mech.php?mid=1715
Enjoy. Once again, I appreciate any and all input!
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jymset
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 02:55 Post subject: RE: The first 2.5 designs that I\'ve ever posted |
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Another thing that I did yesterday:
I submitted the Kronos! My IS 100 ton 'mech. "Goodness, no, another 100 ton munchkin thing".
But please: no other BT design have I ever sweated over as much as that one. I really, really tried hard with that one to make it an efficient design. I hope it is somewhat original, and very efficient, and hopefully deadly, too.
I will post another link when that one is up!
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