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jymset
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 Posted: 03-Feb-2005 11:57 Post subject: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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I think there is a break between the 60 and the 65-tonners. From the 65-ton weight class onwards, we get designs that can slug it out with just about anything. And that can definitely take down anything that is lighter. Of course, this poll also features some designs, that also do just about the opposite…
The Catapult is one of the former. It can jump and fire either all long- or all short-range weaponry. And both is impressive. Ok, it only has 8 rounds. But I really don’t consider this design to be a fire-support machine, despite its looks. Once out of ammo, it should be in close, brawling all the way (just not in physical combat, the lack of arms wouldn’t go down well). It has *just* enough armour to do it. Extremely versatile, this has been called the best design ever by the MFGermany players I gamed with back in ’01. They had won the German championship in the previous year….
The  Crusader, IMO, is one of the most flawed designs, ever! Ok, it looks very cool. And it has excellent background and feel, but, goodness, on the tabletop…. Nuff said, I spent some time condemning this design only a couple of months back.
The Jagermech, well, how can I praise this, after what I’ve said about the Crusader? But it looks soooo awesome!!! Really, I like it better than even the Rifleman, meaning that it shares the coveted award of *jymset’s favourite looking ‘mech of 3025, scratch that, ever!* with only the Zeus! Other than that, both armour and fire-power is a bit of a joke. It can only hope that it is overlooked in larger games, so it can lay down some annoying support fire and live. High hopes, I know, but still…..
The Thunderbolt I have mixed feelings towards. It looks fairly crappy as a model, yet that very model is one of the funnest ones to kit-bash (which I’ve done at least 5 times). It has sports very heavy armour, a lot of guns and enough heat sinks. I like all that, but that weaponry isn’t really my bag of goods. Yes, it covers all ranges, but…. Subjective again, I guess, but the LL for one I have never liked as a main gun. Give me PPCs or ACs over that any day! (Yes, I do like the Steiner variant, but once again, that is not the point on this thread)
No, overall, if it was about me buying a miniature for inclusion in a showcase unit, I’d go for the Jagermech. If we’re talking about performance and survival on the battlefield, I would have to agree with those German mechmeisters, and go for the Catapult (which, incidentally, looks damn cool, too).
PS: I just HAD to edit this post, because that emoticon way too appropriate for the Crusader.
[ This Message was edited by: jymset on 2005-02-03 12:14 ]
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Karagin
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 13:30 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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thunderbolt. To me it's well balanced and has the ability to mix it up at range. Then if it needs to close it has the armor to do so as well as the speed. Plus I have had good results with the mech before.
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 14:23 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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Agreed Thunderbolt.
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Erenon
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 18:14 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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Thunderbolt.
I like nice solid mechs with armour and firepower. Not pretty and with little or no finesse. But you DO know you can rely on them
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Ruger
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 18:19 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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They pretty much summed it up...
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 19:03 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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A T-bolt is a large blunt object you aim right at the center of the enemy's line. The only other 3025 heavy that's nearly as well designed is the Orion, which shares many of the same characteristics...LRMs mixed with a medium range weapon for the main punch, heavy armor, and an array of medium lasers and SRMs for delivering the coup de gras.
The Catapult, and Crusader are solid missile boats both. I prefer the Crusader myself, although the decision to have the SRM ammo sitting alone in the side torsos really irritates me.
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 21:36 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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I would have voted for the Jagermech, but a few months ago I was forceced to take a better look at the Thunderbolt. I liked it. A tough, rugged design fit for attacking, defending, support, or command. It's weapons cover all ranges well, the heat dissapation abilities are above average for it's weapon load and the armor is good too. It can stand toe-to-toe with a Warhammer and come out on top better than 50% of the time. So I voted for the Thunderbolt.
-edit- Note on the Crusader. If you fire your SRM-6's, you can't kick. If you fire your medium lasers and/or your MG's you can't punch. Hmmm...
[ This Message was edited by: Seraph on 2005-02-03 21:47 ]
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| Posted: 04-Feb-2005 00:05 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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I too like the blunt object approach to heavy mech combat. 
And there's nothing quite as fun as having a brutal close-quarters showdown with Thunderbolts on one or both sides. This mech is what the snakes talked about when they came up with the tactical doctrine of "throw all we have at them and kick until they stop moving".
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| Posted: 07-Feb-2005 00:23 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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The Crusader is a mech you guys seem to revil but I find it one of the more useful 65 tonners around. As the 4th mech in a fire support lance it can fill in a serious close range fighting abilities.
Your right when you say it has basically 3 sets of weapons due to its heat sink issues. but you can have a lot of fun with that kind of mix, especially in a city assault.
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| Posted: 07-Feb-2005 08:04 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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to me the catapult has charcter that gives it serious appeal to me plus its close range weapons are quite impresive it must be said
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| Posted: 11-Feb-2005 13:42 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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| I voted for the Thunderbolt because it just out classes all of the other mechs in this poll. However, the Crusader would be my second choice because it is cheaper then an Archer, and the lrm 15 version can put out some serious hurt in close when out of LRM range. It may not have the armor of the ARC but I like my CRDs. The CPLT is a nice mech, but unless I am wanting JJS it just isn't worth the cash, and the jagermech while a threat is not the most imposing mech in that class
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Ter Kerensky
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| Posted: 12-Feb-2005 17:23 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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I use the catapult all the time for many rolls, not just fire support.I once had 4 of these lined and i pulverised a small town in which mechs were hiding, and i recieved no loses
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Daphne Wilde
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| Posted: 13-Feb-2005 00:06 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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The T-bolt is a walking house, and proably one of the top three mechs of 3025 in any class.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 13-Feb-2005 09:34 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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One thing about the Catapult. For those of you who've seen the picture for it. Don't you ever wonder what it would look like if you jumped a Catapult onto the shoulders of another mech and then flew off with said mech?
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jymset
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| Posted: 13-Feb-2005 10:17 Post subject: RE: 3025: which 65-tonner do you prefer? |
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You're a funny cookie. Yes, the Catapult not only has beautiful bird-like legs, but feet also.
And I'm still surprised at how much the T-bolt dominates this poll. I'd really have thought that the Catapult would put up a great fight, that the Crusader ( TM) would have a greater fan-base and that people who weren't as into the T-bolt and others, who share my sense of asthetics, would vote the Jagermech. Very one-sided.
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The AC5 is a great gun!
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