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-Mud
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 Posted: 26-May-2004 22:43 Post subject: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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OK, here's the second in this series of Lance-scale scenarios. Once again, I'm going to emphasize House Specific designs.
Davion:
Marauder-D
Enforcer x3
Liao
Cataphract
Catapult
Vindicator x2
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 26-May-2004 23:02 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Liao,
I actually like the catpharact over the Mad anyway, and a Catapult, and two vindis should be able to take 3 enforcers fairly handily.
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Stinger
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 00:05 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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As much as I like Davion I have to go with the Laio forces in this one.
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Sir Henry
Team Bansai
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 06:29 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Davion would win if and only if the enemy was a true Laio. If the enemy wasn't than it would go to the Laio's
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bandit
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 07:38 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Liao,Liao,Liao 
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Havoc~Ronin
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 09:58 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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If this matchup was played as a true Davion vs. Liao engagement with pilot experience reflecting the units involved, then I would have to agree wit hSir Henry, that Davion would win. However, as a generic matchup, even though I am one with the Marauder, I feel that House Liao has the better lance combination. Having the Catapult as fire support and the Vindicators as flankers makes the Capellan lance a tough nut to crack. The FedSun lance would have to close in fast and keep it tight t offset the range advantage of the LRMs and to maximize to minimum range penalties of the PPCs and LRMs.
Mud, you are coming up with some good ones. I will have to run this one too.
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-Mud
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 18:40 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Personally, I feel that if one of the Enforcers can get inside of the Catapult's LRMs, it could bag the Catapult. Dealing out 18 damage each round, those things are like pocket Warhammers.
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Seraph
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 21:54 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Liao here.
Sorry but the Marauder is an over-rated mech imo. With rather weak side torso armor the Marauder can be taken down easily if taken seriously. The Vindicators are the work horses of the Capellan military and are very effective designs in a number of roles.
And the loses of the Capellans to the Davions are also attributable to the vastly different sizes of their militaries. The Davions had a hard time taking more Capellan worlds after it became easier for their military to respond to attacks because of shorter distances between borders.
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-Mud
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| Posted: 27-May-2004 23:23 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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The Cataphract's armor is no better. The Marauder and the Cataphract essentially cancel one another out. Neither has any real advantage over the other in damage, heat, speed, or armor. I'd say the MAD-D holds a slight advantage, as it carries no ammunition, but the Cataphract has fewer guns with a minumum range.
The Vindicators are nice 'mechs, but the Enforcers are equal to or superior in every aspect except for range. The Liaos do hold a possible edge in the Catapult, but it only holds eight rounds of LRMs, and LRM boats are always vulnerable once you close the range...especially if you do it with a Marauder.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 28-May-2004 04:23 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Usually, but this LRM boat mounts 4 medium lasers as backup weapons. The 20 point damage potential is not to be over looked. The enforcers have a 21 point damage potential within 3 hexes and they only have 10 shots with their AC's.
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-Mud
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| Posted: 29-May-2004 19:26 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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There isn't much armor differential though. I'm not denying that the Catapult has an advantage, but both 'mechs should be pretty banged up by the end of it all. The Catapult is also more vulnerable to ammunition explosions.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 01-Jun-2004 06:33 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Seraph, I'm stunned... 
Someone with my opinion of the Marauder...
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Kiris65
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| Posted: 01-Jun-2004 10:58 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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Am biassed for the Marauder, it's taken good care of me everytime I've used it. However I'm not too fond of the Enforcer. Vindicators have a bad rap and they are good mechs.
Besides, never been a Federated Sun's fan...
Choosing Liao on this one...
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-Mud
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| Posted: 04-Jun-2004 09:40 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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An Enforcer is more than a match for a Vindicator...although Vindicators are decent 'mechs, but the Enforcer is a pocket Warhammer. I still don't know if they can drop the Catapult though...I think I'm going to run this scenario sometime this weekend. (i hope)
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Jun-2004 09:52 Post subject: RE: Davion vs. Liao Matchup |
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I am thinking Davion on this one, unless it is a variant of the standard Catapult.
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