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PostPosted: 03-Apr-2007 20:37    Post subject: Another design competition Reply to topic Reply with quote

The last contest I had brought out some pretty good designs, so I thought I'd give you all another one.

The criteria is to design a true Mercenary's Mech. It needs to be reasonably fast (4/6 minimum for 70 ton+ designs, 5/8 for 65 tons to 40 tons, or 6/9 for anything lower).
Cost is a MAJOR issue.
Durability is also an important selling factor here.
Any tech level, IS tech only.
Firepower should cover as many ranges as is practical.
And once again, fluff helps but isn't required.


I'd also like to see how you arrived at the final design you did. It won't affect the scoring, but I think it would be nice to see how some other 'mech designers think.
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PostPosted: 03-Apr-2007 20:45    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

A few questions-

1. How many entries can we have?

2. Where do we enter at?
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PostPosted: 03-Apr-2007 21:04    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

As many as you want, just don't go nuts. Smile

Enter right here. Just post the designs as you normally would.
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PostPosted: 04-Apr-2007 05:31    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Here you go...

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               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Landsknecht LDS- 1S
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          55 tons
Chassis:       Standard
Power Plant:   275 Core Tek Fusion
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets:     5 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  1 LRM 10
  2 Machine Guns
  3 Medium Lasers
  1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
   The best buy for your money. The Landsknecht is a product of Lyran industry
for various mercenary units under contract with house Stainer, but thanks to
nomadic nature of mercenaries this 'Mech is getting widespread around the
Inner Sphere. First Landsknecht's were built from scrapped Griffins, but
Wolverines or Shadow Hawks are also getting common these days.

==Capabilities:==
   The Landsknecht is a true workhorse. With standard components used on
chassis the maintenance is relatively easy, substainial armor offers good
protection and the fact that the Landsknecht keeps the Jump Jets from it's
previous life only increases the value of the 'Mech to people who need to be
ready for any situation any time and CASE system allows the 'Mech to survive
terrible damage from ammo explosion and remain operational.
   The armament consists of a Large ER laser backed by medium laser trio for
short range work and LRM launcher for ranged fight and two machine guns round
up the armament. This weapon's mix should allow the Landsknecht to performwell
in any situation you throw it in. With experienced pilot the 'Mech can work
marvels, but at least basic heat management skill is required to allow the
pilot to survive. All these weapons are relatively easy to obtain, which
further increases the value of this machine.

==Variants:==
   Due to the nature of this 'Mech there are several variants of the basic
chassis, but they are far less popular. The most radical ones remove the Jump
Jets and replace the large laser with PPC and some additional armor.

==Deployment==
   The Landsknecht can be found almost anywhere, but majority still remains in
Lyran Space.

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Type/Model:    Landsknecht LDS- 1S
Mass:          55 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  91 pts Standard               0      5,50
Engine:        275 Fusion                    6     15,50
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   5
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               0       ,00
Gyro:                                        4      3,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       ,00
Armor Factor:  152 pts Standard              0      9,50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9     
   Center Torso:             18         21     
   Center Torso (Rear):                 10     
   L/R Side Torso:           13      16/16     
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              7/7     
   L/R Arm:                   9      15/15     
   L/R Leg:                  13      18/18     

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 LRM 10                 RA      4   12      3      6,00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RA)
2 Machine Guns           LA      0  100      3      1,50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Medium Laser           RT      3           1      1,00
1 ER Large Laser         LT     12           2      5,00
1 Medium Laser           LT      3           1      1,00
1 Medium Laser           HD      3           1      1,00
CASE Equipment:          RT                  1       ,50
5 Standard Jump Jets:                        5      2,50
 (Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         25          48     55,00
Crits & Tons Left:                          30       ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        5 277 181 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1 274
Cost per BV:       4 142,21
Weapon Value:      972 / 972 (Ratio = ,76 / ,76)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 18;  MRDmg = 11;  LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2:      MP: 5J,  Armor/Structure: 4/5
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/1,  Overheat: 1
                   Class: MM;  Point Value: 13



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PostPosted: 04-Apr-2007 06:38    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
As many as you want, just don't go nuts. Smile

Enter right here. Just post the designs as you normally would.


Can we do ones we've already posted?
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PostPosted: 04-Apr-2007 14:54    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I don't see why not.
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              BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Sasquatch SQS-TH-002
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3055
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Custom design

Mass:          85 tons
Chassis:       VEST 101 Bravo Standard
Power Plant:   340 Vox 340 XL XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     4 Rawlings 80 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor Type:    Star Slab Standard
Armament:      
  1 Poland Main Model A Gauss Rifle
  8 ChisComp 39 Medium Lasers
  1 Guardian Interface Model 2B Guardian ECM
  2 20mm Gatling Gun Machine Guns
  1 Apple Churchill Beagle Beagle Active Probe
  1 Buzzsaw Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer:  VEST
  Location:    Solaris VII
Communications System:  Irian TelStar
Targeting & Tracking System:  O/P 2000

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
"If you stay at range, it will hammer you.

If you come close, it will maul you.

You might not be able to find it, but it will find you.

And you can't stop it."


Those are the words of VEST's marketing campaign for this frightening new
version of the Sasquatch, which appears to be the final market product. A
fearsome array of 11 medium lasers forms the new core of this mech's weaponry,
with one firing to the rear. Anyone who gets close will more than likely get
shredded; the mounting of an ECM allows this unit the ability to do so.

The Gauss Rifle remains to hammer targets at range, as does the AMS to block
incoming fire. The machine guns are still there to sweep away infantry. But
the addition of a BAP makes this that much easier. 

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Sasquatch SQS-TH-002
Mass:          85 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  130 pts Standard              0      8.50
Engine:        340 XL Fusion                12     13.50
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   4
Heat Sinks:     15 Double [30]               6      5.00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 2 RT)
Gyro:                                        4      4.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA        14       .00
Armor Factor:  256 pts Standard              0     16.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             27         40      
   Center Torso (Rear):                 13      
   L/R Side Torso:           18      26/26      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              9/9      
   L/R Arm:                  14      27/27      
   L/R Leg:                  18      35/35      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Gauss Rifle            RA      1    8      8     16.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Medium Laser           RA      3           1      1.00
4 Medium Lasers          LA     12           4      4.00
1 Guardian ECM           RT      0           2      1.50
1 Machine Gun            LT      0  200      2      1.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
2 Medium Lasers          LT      6           2      2.00
1 Beagle Active Probe    LT      0           2      1.50
1 Medium Laser           CT(R)   3           1      1.00
1 Machine Gun            CT      0           1       .50
1 Anti-Missile System    HD      1   12      2      1.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
CASE Equipment:          LT                  1       .50
4 Standard Jump Jets:                        4      4.00
 (Jump Jet Loc: 2 LL, 2 RL)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         26          71     85.00
Crits & Tons Left:                           7       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        20,984,951 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2,066
Cost per BV:       10,157.29
Weapon Value:      3,229 / 3,229 (Ratio = 1.56 / 1.56)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 42;  MRDmg = 16;  LRDmg = 7
BattleForce2:      MP: 4J,  Armor/Structure: 6/3
                   Damage PB/M/L: 7/5/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: MA;  Point Value: 21
                   Specials: ecm, prb


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          BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Longshot LS-2A
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3055
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Custom design

Mass:          35 tons
Chassis:       Endo Steel
Power Plant:   245 Magna XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      
  1 LRM 5
  3 Medium Lasers
  2 SRM 6s
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
design from  'solaris VII gameworld gamemasters handbook' .

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Longshot LS-2A
Mass:          35 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  58 pts Endo Steel            14      2.00
 (Endo Steel Loc: 3 LA, 1 RA, 3 LT, 3 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine:        245 XL Fusion                12      6.00
   Walking MP:   7
   Running MP:  11
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               3       .00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 1 LA)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA     15       .00
Armor Factor:   96 pts Standard              0      6.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             11         14      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  7      
   L/R Side Torso:            8      11/11      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              5/5      
   L/R Arm:                   6        7/7      
   L/R Leg:                   8      10/10      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 LRM 5                  RA      2   24      2      3.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Medium Laser           RA      3           1      1.00
1 SRM 6                  RT      4   30      4      5.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
1 Medium Laser           RT      3           1      1.00
1 SRM 6                  LT      4           2      3.00
1 Medium Laser           LT      3           1      1.00
CASE Equipment:          LT     RT           2      1.00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         19          66     35.00
Crits & Tons Left:                          12       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        5,784,030 C-Bills
Battle Value:      839
Cost per BV:       6,893.96
Weapon Value:      792 / 792 (Ratio = .94 / .94)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 25;  MRDmg = 6;  LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 2/1
                   Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: ML;  Point Value: 8

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            BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Daedelus DL-2A
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3055
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Custom design

Mass:          45 tons
Chassis:       Endo Steel
Power Plant:   270 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets:     6 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      
  1 Large Laser
  1 Machine Gun
  1 Rocket Launcher 10 (OS)
  2 SRM 4s
  1 Guardian ECM
  1 LRM 5
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
While originally intended as an arena mech, the losses all Houses have
sustained over the course of the last few conflicts have resulted in even
arena mechs being pressed into service.

In the case of the Daedalus, the decision was made to use this as a fire
support mech capable of getting in and out of conflict at high speed.

A major flaw noted was that the jump jets were not mounted evenly and that
this caused trouble with balance in flight. The jets were re-positioned to
help solve this problem, but created the additional problem of what to do with
the displaced SRM 6. The decision was made to trade it out for an LRM 5 and
mount it in the center torso where the SRM 6 had once been; this, coupled with
the RL 10, this gave the Daedalus some much-needed long-range punch.

The decision was also made to change up the energy weapons. The large pulse
laser and small laser were deleted. In their place, the decision was made to
mount a standard large laser, an ECM suite to protect the mech, and some
additional armor. 

==Variants:==
The 2B variant makes use of a BAP instead of the ECM; this version functions
more along the lines of a hunter-killer instead of a true fire support unit.

The 2C variant has a C3 Slave and mounts an additional RL-10. The 2CA uses a
TAG instead of the C3 Slave.

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Daedelus DL-2A
Mass:          45 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  75 pts Endo Steel            14      2.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 5 LA, 5 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine:        270 XL Fusion                12      7.50
   Walking MP:   6
   Running MP:   9
   Jumping MP:   6
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               0       .00
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       .00
Armor Factor:  152 pts Standard              0      9.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             14         20      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  7      
   L/R Side Torso:           11      16/16      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              6/6      
   L/R Arm:                   7      14/14      
   L/R Leg:                  11      22/22      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Large Laser            RA      8           2      5.00
1 Machine Gun            LA      0  100      2      1.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 Rocket Launcher 10 (OS)LA      3           1       .50
1 SRM 4                  RT      3   25      2      3.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 Guardian ECM           RT      0           2      1.50
1 SRM 4                  LT      3           1      2.00
1 LRM 5                  CT      2   24      2      3.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
CASE Equipment:          LT                  1       .50
6 Standard Jump Jets:                        6      3.00
 (Jump Jet Loc: 3 LT, 3 RT)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         16          70     45.00
Crits & Tons Left:                           8       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        8,338,515 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,146
Cost per BV:       7,276.19
Weapon Value:      985 / 985 (Ratio = .86 / .86)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 24;  MRDmg = 12;  LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2:      MP: 6J,  Armor/Structure: 4/2
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: MM;  Point Value: 11
                   Specials: ecm


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PostPosted: 05-Apr-2007 04:55    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Umm, are you sure that these 'Mechs meet the criteria from WHM's post? I mean cost and durability with all those XL engines...
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PostPosted: 05-Apr-2007 13:44    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Like Warhammer suggested and SD demands! Wink
Cheap and reliable:

EDIT:
I've "sucked" that fluff "out of my fingers" in ten minutes so please bear with me!

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               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Incubus ICB-12B
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3019
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 1, Custom design

Mass:          60 tons
Chassis:       Alshain Class 73 Standard
Power Plant:   300 Hermes Fusion
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    StarSlab/2 Standard
Armament:     
  2 Telos PentaCluster LRM 5s
  1 Telos-6 SRM 6
  1 Victory 23R Medium Laser
  1 Victory 44R Large Laser
Manufacturer:  Luthien Armor Works
  Location:    Luthien
Communications System:  Sipher CommSys 2
Targeting & Tracking System:  Eagle Eye SY10-10

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
Luthien Armor Works designed the Incubus to replace the aging DRG-1N Dragon in
3019.
The DCMS adhered rigidly to their fleet of Dragons nonetheless and even after
almost being forced to review the design they declared to favor a redesigned
Dragon instead!
Eventually this statements led to the now famous PPC-wielding Grand Dragon!

Interest in the Incubus came  from a unsuspected quarter: Some of the few
mercenaries in employment of the DC approached the Luthien Armor Works and a
limited production run of the mech was sold to them to get some of the
investment back!

==Capabilities:==
In speed and armor similar to the Dragon the Incubus tried another
weaponloadout.
Its firepower centers around a large laser which delivers a harder punch as
the AC/5 of the Dragon without any ammo dependence though for a somewhat
reduced range. At long range two LRM-5 launchers keep the enemy busy. They are
located in shock proofed housings in the forearms to counter the impact of a
punch. For short range combat the main weapon is supported by a medium laser
and a SRM-6 (a potent crit seeker).


==Variants:==
The production run was to short to justify any factory variant but over the
years the mercenary-owners modified some of their machines in different ways.

==Deployment==
No machine was taken over by the DCMS but quite a lot were (and are) in
service of small to medium sized mercenary units.
Some Incubus even ended up in the hands of some minor periphery militias.

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Incubus ICB-12B
Mass:          60 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  99 pts Standard               0      6,00
Engine:        300 Fusion                    6     19,00
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     14 Single                    2      4,00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 1 LL, 1 RL)
Gyro:                                        4      3,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA    R: Sh+UA+LA       14       ,00
Armor Factor:  160 pts Standard              0     10,00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9     
   Center Torso:             20         25     
   Center Torso (Rear):                  8     
   L/R Side Torso:           14      20/20     
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              5/5     
   L/R Arm:                  10      16/16     
   L/R Leg:                  14      18/18     

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 LRM 5                  RA      2   24      2      3,00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 LRM 5                  LA      2           1      2,00
1 SRM 6                  RT      4   15      3      4,00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Medium Laser           LT      3           1      1,00
1 Large Laser            CT      8           2      5,00
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TOTALS:                         19          40     60,00
Crits & Tons Left:                          38       ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        4.990.400 C-Bills
Battle Value:      969
Cost per BV:       5.150,05
Weapon Value:      882 / 882 (Ratio = ,91 / ,91)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 15;  MRDmg = 9;  LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 4/5
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/-,  Overheat: 1
                   Class: MH;  Point Value: 10
                   Specials: if



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PostPosted: 05-Apr-2007 14:04    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hmm, I dislike the LRM splitting trick, but otherwise the 'Mech looks fine.
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PostPosted: 05-Apr-2007 14:19    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I splitted the LRM because while designing this mech I had two LRM's in "punching housings" (like the LRM-15 of the well known Zeus) before my eyes, even though I didn't mention a higher damage per punch in the fluff.
Otherwise I don't tend to split LRM`s into LRM-5`s just to get one additional ton (unless for reasons of look!). Exclamation
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PostPosted: 05-Apr-2007 17:32    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Umm, are you sure that these 'Mechs meet the criteria from WHM's post? I mean cost and durability with all those XL engines...


It's a bit of a necessary evil.

For all three, the mech wouldn't have enough available tonnage. The Sasquatch wouldn't be able to have its array of mediums, and the other two wouldn't be as fast.
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PostPosted: 06-Apr-2007 03:12    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Yes, that's obvious, but I wonder if the Mecs are buying these things... maybe that I just forget about the fact that they now have their own pseudo-state with Munchkin Dragoons in charge... Laughing
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