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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPONS
Type/Model: Heavy Responce Firetank
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Wheeled Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Mass: 50 tons
Power Plant: 80 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
2 Water Cannon MK2s*
1 Siren*
1 Emercency Lights*
1 Spotlight*
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
One of the most destructive forces known to man is a force that man has
dealt with as far back as man has hunted, that man has used for warmth, and
which man uses as a weapon: this is fire.
Each year billions of C-Bills in damage are caused by fire. It is a force
that man has sought to control and in which he has failed. This is why
Emergency Response Teams are created and why they are funded in the billions
of C-Bills each year. This is one of the newest Fire Suppression Trucks to be
used by the Inner Sphere.
==Capabilities:==
The basic design is simple: A powerful engine that powers and moves a
heavy chassis on which sits several thousand gallons of foam and water. These
in turn are connected via lines to water cannons that project the water on to
fires. What makes this Engine different then most is the inclusion of the
DRHPWC [Dual Rate High Pressure Water Cannon] that can safely handle twice the
rate of water then the HPWC and the eight ton crew bay that carries the newly
engineered Fire Combat Powered Suit. These suits are designed to withstand the
high temperatures of fire and carry an internal fire suppression hose with
fire retardant material in addition to thermal optical vision, manipulative
hands, and internally recycled air supply with emergency masks accessible
externally. The Engine can carry eight of these suits in addition to its 4 man
crew.
Overall this Engine is proving itself worth the cost quickly as it saves
hundreds of lives across the Inner Sphere. Rumor also has it that the clans
have begun production of a similar Engine and Civilian Powered Suit even
though these rumors are unsupported as of yet. Lastly, for a field that is so
often forgotten by the masses, this latest step in technology, the Powered
Suit, alone is a great leap in the ability to save human life and once again
proving that battlefield technologies often have civilian applications.
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Type/Model: Heavy Responce Firetank
Mass: 50 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 25 pts Standard 0 5.00
Engine: 80 I.C.E. 0 5.00
Cruise MP: 2
Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 2.50
Crew: 4 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 40 pts Standard 0 2.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 5 8
Left / Right Sides: 5 8/8
Rear: 5 8
Turret: 5 8
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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2 Water Cannon MK2s* Turret 0 40 3 26.00
1 Siren* Front 0 1 .00
1 Emercency Lights* Front 0 1 .00
1 Spotlight* Turret 0 1 .00
Cargo Bay Capacity Body 1 8.00
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TOTALS: 0 7 50.00
Items & Tons Left: 8 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 233,583 C-Bills
Battle Value: 56
Cost per BV: 4,171.13
Weapon Value: 0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 0; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 2W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GM; Point Value: 1
Specials: tran8
Once again a big thanks to Hunter30 for this idea.
Ok. the BA stats.
Move: 1 Ground
Armor: 2
Weapons: Water Cannon, Personel w/8 shots
Special: Impervious to Fire, Mech Transportable
The BA can carry and use standard fire hoses.
Thanks Again.
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Motown Scrapper
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 01:55 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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Your Firetank is WAY to slow for an Emergency response vehicle if a fire is a mere 5 KM away from the fire station it would take 10-15 minutes to get there FAR too long. Fires spread fast by the time this slug gets there what ever is burning will be beyond saving. 
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 02:18 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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your right.
how about this.
BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPONS
Type/Model: Heavy Responce Firetank
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Wheeled Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Mass: 45 tons
Power Plant: 205 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Water Cannon MK2*
1 Siren*
1 Emercency Lights*
1 Spotlight*
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
One of the most destructive forces known to man is a force that man has
dealt with as far back as man has hunted, that man has used for warmth, and
which man uses as a weapon: this is fire.
Each year billions of C-Bills in damage are caused by fire. It is a force
that man has sought to control and in which he has failed. This is why
Emergency Response Teams are created and why they are funded in the billions
of C-Bills each year. This is one of the newest Fire Suppression Trucks to be
used by the Inner Sphere.
==Capabilities:==
The basic design is simple: A powerful engine that powers and moves a
heavy chassis on which sits several thousand gallons of foam and water. These
in turn are connected via lines to water cannons that project the water on to
fires. What makes this Engine different then most is the inclusion of the
DRHPWC [Dual Rate High Pressure Water Cannon] that can safely handle twice the
rate of water then the HPWC and the four ton crew bay that carries the newly
engineered Fire Combat Powered Suit. These suits are designed to withstand the
high temperatures of fire and carry an internal fire suppression hose with
fire retardant material in addition to thermal optical vision, manipulative
hands, and internally recycled air supply with emergency masks accessible
externally. The Engine can carry four of these suits in addition to its four
man crew.
Overall this Engine is proving itself worth the cost quickly as it saves
hundreds of lives across the Inner Sphere. Rumor also has it that the clans
have begun production of a similar Engine and Civilian Powered Suit even
though these rumors are unsupported as of yet. Lastly, for a field that is so
often forgotten by the masses, this latest step in technology, the Powered
Suit, alone is a great leap in the ability to save human life and once again
proving that battlefield technologies often have civilian applications.
--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model: Heavy Responce Firetank
Mass: 45 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 25 pts Standard 0 4.50
Engine: 205 I.C.E. 0 17.00
Cruise MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 2.50
Crew: 3 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 .50
Armor Factor: 40 pts Standard 0 2.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 5 8
Left / Right Sides: 5 8/8
Rear: 5 8
Turret: 5 8
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Water Cannon MK2* Turret 0 20 2 13.00
1 Siren* Front 0 1 .00
1 Emercency Lights* Front 0 1 .00
1 Spotlight* Turret 0 1 .00
Infantry Bay Body 1 4.00
Miscellaneous Equipment Body 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 0 7 45.00
Items & Tons Left: 7 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 317,214 C-Bills
Battle Value: 61
Cost per BV: 5,200.23
Weapon Value: 0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 0; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 5W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GM; Point Value: 1
Specials: tran4
max speed of 6/9 on pavcement.
meaning a max speed of 60 mph or 96 kph. only loosing 4 BA and the second cannon.
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 02:32 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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Better that one could at least make it to a nearby fire in time
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 03:14 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPON
Type/Model: Fire Helo
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: V.T.O.L.
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Mass: 25 tons
Power Plant: 135 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 118.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Fire Bucket*
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Fire Helo
Mass: 25 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 135 I.C.E. 0 9.00
Cruise MP: 11
Flank MP: 17
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Rotor Equipment: Main/Tail Rotors 0 2.50
Armor Factor: 40 pts Standard 0 2.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 10
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 8
Rotor: 3 2
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Fire Bucket* Front 0 10 2 6.00
Miscellaneous Equipment Body 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 0 3 25.00
Items & Tons Left: 7 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 419,375 C-Bills
Battle Value: 32
Cost per BV: 13,105.47
Weapon Value: 0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 0; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 11V, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: VA; Point Value: 0
Your typical wild fire helo.
The Bucket can release up to 50 tons [100 shots] of water at one time, but it is limited to directly above the target hex.
if used in aerofighters, it uses the same rules as strafing ground targets yet releases 1/5th of its load over each hex of the 5 target hex line.
the misc equip is a cargo bay used to carry emergency equipment or to pull a 7 man fire team out of a dangerous situation.
might wanna craft up some rules for putting out fires.
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 21:07 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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One slight problem with the helicopter stats is that you have the chopper carrying double its weight in water PLUS the weight of the bucket It would appear that your helicopter is over loaded
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 22:32 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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On 2004-05-02 21:07, Motown Scrapper wrote:
One slight problem with the helicopter stats is that you have the chopper carrying double its weight in water PLUS the weight of the bucket It would appear that your helicopter is over loaded
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um. what?
the helo is carrying only 5 tons in water.
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 00:32 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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On 2004-05-02 22:32, Vagabond wrote:
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On 2004-05-02 21:07, Motown Scrapper wrote:
One slight problem with the helicopter stats is that you have the chopper carrying double its weight in water PLUS the weight of the bucket It would appear that your helicopter is over loaded
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um. what?
the helo is carrying only 5 tons in water.
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Your fluff states that it can move 50 tons of water enough for 100 shots.
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 01:56 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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can release up to. not handle up to.
otherwise IF a vehicle could carry 50t of water the bucket could drop it all in 10 seconds.
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 02:40 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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On 2004-05-03 01:56, Vagabond wrote:
can release up to. not handle up to.
otherwise IF a vehicle could carry 50t of water the bucket could drop it all in 10 seconds.
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To be able to realease 50 tons I must carry 50 tons and that is to much for a 25 ton Helicopter
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 10:51 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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wow. you arew obssessed with this helo and 50tons of water.
i have explained it clearly but let us see if i can clarify more.
The Bucket is a weapon. Like a vehicle flamer it fires a liquad as its projectile. Likewise, it carries ammo in 1ton lots. The bigger your water supplie the more you can drop. Its drop rate is represented by its ability to fire at ultra rates, which in this case is 100 shots per turn or 50 tons of water. this is pure firing ability not carrying capacity. you dedicate ammo which represents the water storage area and provides you a water scource. in the case of the helo, it carries 5 tons of ammo, water, in its systems. now, IF, i stress the IF, a vehicle could be made that dedicated 50 tons of ammo to a bucket, then that vehicle could drop it all in 1 attack.
this dosen't mean that all the buckets carry 50 tons of water. all it means is they can release 50 tons of water in 10 seconds.
understand now?
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 13:58 Post subject: RE: Heavy Responce Firetank and Fire Combat Powered Suit |
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It makes sense to me. (but then again it did the first time)
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