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MO
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 Posted: 05-Jan-2004 19:06 Post subject: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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OK, so im so excited ive just joined that i have to write write write! 
First of all , i want to ask you what you think about (almost) all the BT books from Fasa and (YES!) Wizkids being available on the P2P programms like kazaa, emule , dcc++ or even (LOL) soulseek (and is it allowed here to speak about it at all?  )
How come nobody says anything against breaking copyright, also not a word on classi-battletech.com ?
How long do you think this is gonna last?
Do you think there are any REAL losses because of it? I.E. if i like the book im gonna buy it anyway.
Of course its impossible to suppress the temptation to download all of them But than you can also see which ones are really worth their price (OK, so its sort of the only harsh sentence in my post .
AND in my opinion P2P is an indispencible source for vewing BT books which are out of print and will surely NEVER see the daylight again.
Why Fasa and now Wizkids are so incredibly slow with publishing PDF version of old books? (till now only 4 house books were officially released). Well, i dont suppose u r gonna answer this...
The second subject i would like to discuss is the venerable and only MASTER rules , revised edition.
Now before i start writing hours long , i wanna check out whether there are any resources already on the net
You know how it is with games: most of people know the core rules by hart, and they are very easy in case of BT, but when it comes to special case rules and other extensions, they almost always have to be checked in books (and some players have really an awfully low knowledge bout anything beyond page No. 5 LOL).
So during this sommer holidays when i bought my fresh ink- smelling CBTMRr, i wanted to read it again as it was my first time in my life (i advice it wholehartly anybody who thinks he knows everything )
It lasted 2 weeks, every day the whole day (OK, so i think this feat will not b repeated, but i dont suppose it needs to b repeated).
After that time i found TETNHS of mistakes- starting from funny wording mistakes not interfering with game mechanics, than more serious ones which might b described as unclear, and the BIGGETS BUGS: quite a LOT mistakes which are against the rules and make no sense.
Now i dont know whether im too dumb to understand them all, or maybe im misinterpretin sth, but i swear i read the whole book one word after another.
If u think im right , or if there is some comprehensive errata of this book on the net (not this joke on classic-battletech.com) please send a feedback.
Otherwise im more than happy to write it all down and see what u think bout it.
AND HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY fooked up THE REVISED EDITION SO MUCH? Man... after so many editions of Rules, none is perfect. I think it sholdnt be called REVISED but mindlesslyEXTENDED. ROFL
awaiting your opinions
MO
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 12:23 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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What mistakes did you find?
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Mordel
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 12:49 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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A good question indeed. I only care about the major ones. Not the spelling or grammatical mistakes.
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Oafman
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 12:57 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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My compendium has permanent marks in it from me to fix column errors. I usually just fix the book and live with it. In my experience errors/typos in rule books only really matter if a mid-battle srgument stem from them. As in, one person has one edition and another has a different edition that states a rule slightly differently. That is where house rules come in. (show of hands for all the people that put money in free parking when playing monopoly even though the rules specifically state not to)
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-Mud
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 14:33 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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| I still use my old Rules of Warfare compendium; that always worked just fine for me...never saw any real reason to pick up the Master Rules, especially since sheet generation programs print all the stats for new weapons right on the 'mech sheets.
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Mordel
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 15:48 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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You're not suppose to put money on Free Parking? Then what good is the spot for?
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Oafman
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 16:30 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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It was originally just a space to land on without worrying about retribution. I personally put money there as part of the house rules. It can really affect the tide of the game when you get 6k in 'free' money. I have personally purchased several hotels in one turn with the money from that spot.
In my BT experience though I have seen various house rules that are never really clarified in the books. Like what happens to your mech when it leaves the current map. Do you add another map? Do you leave the field of battle never to be seen again? etc.
That is why I always go over the house rules before playing someone new. It is easier to agree on stupid things before a shot is fired than it is during the battle when the house rule could affect the outcome of the particular phase.
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Gangrene
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 21:45 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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On 2004-01-05 19:06, MO wrote:
OK, so im so excited ive just joined that i have to write write write!
First of all , i want to ask you what you think about (almost) all the BT books from Fasa and (YES!) Wizkids being available on the P2P programms like kazaa, emule , dcc++ or even (LOL) soulseek (and is it allowed here to speak about it at all? )
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I know of no ban against it here.
I didn't know that BT books were available over P2P programs. It might not be such a big deal because some have been released by FanPro for free in pdf form anyways.
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Forever. IMO, most fans will buy the book if it contains something they like. In the case of OOP books I doubt FanPro will lift a finger to stop it, and there's no reason they should because it might help get a few people interested in the game.
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Do you think there are any REAL losses because of it?
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The losses are probably minimal, or at least not worth the effort of trying to regulate electronic distribution.
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Ronin
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| Posted: 06-Jan-2004 23:26 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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Spelling and grammar mistakes have been driving me up the wall lately. I think it's probably because I've been editing so much stuff lately as a graduate assitant. I try to relax by reading some good old Battletech that I've gotten behind on (I'm in the middle of the FedCom Civil War manual) and even the tiniest of mistakes are sticking out like a shutdown assault mech.
Of course, I'm just glad that books are still being printed, even though I don't think I like the direction things are headed in the storyline.
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DarkAdder
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| Posted: 18-Jan-2004 13:48 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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I think that the p2p wont hurt the sales too much. For example, Ive found quite a few maps, books, readouts and other things via my p2p of choice. They are a little grainy, owing to the post-ers poor condition of the book, quality of the scanner, quality of the DL, or any number of reasons. I also cant print them out. One, the grainy-ness would be copied, resulting in smears and smudges on the page. And two, I only have a dot-matrix printer right now.
So I have the books, but I cant take them anywhere. And if I cant take them anywhere, then I cant use them to 'justify' a design or technique or what have you. Players want proof. The only way I can take one of these books somewhere is to go out and buy my own copy with my own cash.
I see the stuff Ive downloaded more as the trailers at the beginning of the movie. Looks good ( well, not good. some of the stuff is almost illegible ), interests me, Im going to have to go see the movie, now.
Of course, now that Ive spoken about this, Mordel is going to nuke my acct.  Isnt that always the way it is for 'dissenters'? Bear in mind, though. All this is just one mans opinion.
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Steelfang
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| Posted: 19-Jan-2004 03:07 Post subject: RE: BT/P2P policy AND errors in MASTER RULES Revised |
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On 2004-01-05 19:06, MO wrote:
OK, so im so excited ive just joined that i have to write write write!
First of all , i want to ask you what you think about (almost) all the BT books from Fasa and (YES!) Wizkids being available on the P2P programms like kazaa, emule , dcc++ or even (LOL) soulseek (and is it allowed here to speak about it at all? ) |
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It's against the law, whether they are in print or not.
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How come nobody says anything against breaking copyright, also not a word on classi-battletech.com ? |
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It was about 6-9 months ago, it got very heated and the thread was locked and likely delted in their last purge of dead threads.
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Probably forever, as neither WizKids nor Fanpro, very likely, has the kind of cash and/or legal muscle to put a stop to it. They are not the NARAS who killed Naptser [thank the heavens.]
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Yes, because most people won't buy the book. They will simply go out and buy some paper and ink for their printer and do it themselves.
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You are right, it is hard to fight temptation for most folks. However, I can honestly say that I paid for every piece of BT related material that I have in my possession.
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It's not indispensible. If there is something I want for BT, I go to EBay. If it's ridiculously overpriced like the old Star League sourcebook, I just have to live without it.
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| Why Fasa and now Wizkids are so incredibly slow with publishing PDF version of old books? (till now only 4 house books were officially released). Well, i dont suppose u r gonna answer this... |
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Because they are more concerned with putting out new product, though I did read at CBT that someone has taken over the project and works on it during his free time.
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Now before i start writing hours long , i wanna check out whether there are any resources already on the net |
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Check the Errata section at CBT. Additionally, they will be producing a limited edition 20th Anniversary version of the book and it is supposed to correct all known errata. It will be available at the next Gencon and possibly Origins[?].
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