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Ares
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 Posted: 01-Mar-2002 18:45 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Well, here it goes. This thing is ungodly munchkinish, but, I guess all honor goes out the window in a tourney  Realistically, this mech would be completely destroyed if it fired all of it weapons in one salvo. Without further ado, here are the plans for the "Apocolypse".
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Begin Report
Base Stats
Name: Apocolypse
Tonnage: 100
Class: Assault Mech
Tech Base: Clan
Tech Level: 3
Cost: 16,250,000
Battle Value: 2,339
Structural
Engine Type: Fusion
Engine Tonnage: 19
Gyro Type: Standard
Gyro Tonnage: 3
Cockpit: Small
Cockpit Tonnage: 2
Targeting System: Standard
Targeting System Tonnage: 0
Movement
Type: Biped
Walking: 3
Running: 5
Sprinting: 6
Jumping: 0
Heat Sinks
Heat Sink Type: Single
Number of Heat Sinks: 10 at 0 tons
Max Heat: 262
Heat Dissipation: 10
Arms
Left Arm: Shoulder/Lower Arm
Right Arm: Shoulder/Lower Arm
Internals
Armor Type: Standard
Armor Tonnage: 19 tons
Structure Type: Composite
Structure Tonnage: 5 tons
Weapons
52 ER Medium Lasers
Range: 15 hexes
Max Damage: 364
Max Heat: 262
Heat Dissipation: 10
End Report
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chihawk
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2002 19:05 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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How about illegal? There are only 51 available slots for equpiment...so you can't fir that many ERML on it.
Do Clans even use single heat sinks?
What is a "composite" structure?
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2002 20:08 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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another example of why I truly hate Tech level 3 rules.
If the thing is legal.. It still only has 10 heat sinks.. firing 52 med lasers generates 156 heat? That means it takes 15 and a half turns for the damn thing to cool down. It better kill its opponent the first volley.
It is also immobile, and anyone stupid enough to charge behind a hill to play with it deserves his fate. This mech is beatable with even a Pheonix Hawk 3025 tech.
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AWAD
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2002 20:28 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Hey Ares!
Did you use to live in Farmington Hills and work in the MSX building? This sounds familiar of a guy I met when I first arrived in the Motor City. We never played, timing and other issues.
AWAD- If I remeber it was a bet issue
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chihawk
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2002 20:37 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Yes Pin, you are correct--this and most other "munchy" mechs are easily defeatable with just a small amount of tactics.
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Ares
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 09:57 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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For one IT IS legal, I'll send you the file for it. I never said it should be used. Clans never use single heat sinks, but I didn't even touch the heat sinks. The 10 sinks there are just the ones included in the engine. A composite structure...I don't even know, it's from maxtech. It takes up no criticals, but is weaker then EndoSteel or something like that. Actually, I've always lived in Sterling Heights, and I couldn't of ever met you, not being old enough to drive
[ This Message was edited by: Ares on 2002-03-02 09:59 ]
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chihawk
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 10:04 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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It's legality still hasn't been determined as of yet.
Plus the fact you're using tech you admit you know nothing about speaks volumes.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 11:12 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Ares,
Thanks for the e-mail, but I don't even open attachments from people I know, so your's had zero chance of being opened by me.
Feel free to post a text version of it here...
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 11:40 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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If I recall correctly composite structure weighs the same as endo-steel, takes up no criticals, but damage done to it is doubled.
I'm not sure if the mech qualifies as "munchkin" because it has hardly any power behind it. Sure, 52 ER meds could do a lot of damage IF they all hit. But the chances of that are pretty small. On top of that it has no longevity, so it only has that one shot to try to win. Munchkin mechs are supposed to be hard to beat, not easy.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 11:45 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Gg is correct...that mech would be toast in a very few turns...
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ICER
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 11:52 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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There are still one or two clan mechs in the books that do not have double heat sinks.
I cannot recall the names right now. but I know they are there. I will have to dig into my books to find them.
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 12:26 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Well, I do have to agree with what most people here are saying. That 'mech would die quickly against almost all of the players I play against. For starters, as Pinhead said, if it did fire everything and did not kill you, it would tak a stupid number of turns to cool down.
I saw in the other thread that someone said you only mark 30, so no need to worry about the 260 it generates. Well, that is completely wrong. The chart for effects might only go up to 30, but heat is still marked as high as you generate it. In this case 260. So, we'll assume 10 double heat sinks. 20 is dissipated. 30 is mark to the top of the chart. That leaves 210. That's 10 1/2 turns before it cools down enough to even TRY for a restart.
Like many said, we all agree that if someone was stupid enough to walk out there and stand in a clearing for you to shoot everything, they'll probably die. But no one I know would do that. We'll run around in woods, always giving you +3 or +4 to hit. Eventually you'll overheat and die.
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Ares
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 15:14 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Here's another posting of it, with the critical slots now spelled out.
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Begin Report
Base Stats
Name: Apocolypse
Tonnage: 100
Class: Assault Mech
Tech Base: Clan
Tech Level: 3
Cost: 16,250,000
Battle Value: 2,339
Structural
Engine Type: Fusion
Engine Tonnage: 19
Gyro Type: Standard
Gyro Tonnage: 3
Cockpit: Small
Cockpit Tonnage: 2
Targeting System: Standard
Targeting System Tonnage: 0
Movement
Type: Biped
Walking: 3
Running: 5
Sprinting: 6
Jumping: 0
Heat Sinks
Heat Sink Type: Single
Number of Heat Sinks: 10 at 0 tons
Max Heat: 262
Heat Dissipation: 10
Arms
Left Arm: Shoulder/Lower Arm
Right Arm: Shoulder/Lower Arm
Internals
Armor Type: Standard
Armor Tonnage: 19 tons
Structure Type: Composite
Structure Tonnage: 5 tons
Weapons
52 ER Medium Lasers
Range: 15 hexes
Max Damage: 364
Max Heat: 262
Heat Dissipation: 10
Criticals
Head: 6 available slots
Life Support: 1 slot
Sensors: 2 slots
Small Cockpit: 1 slot
ER Medium Lasers: 2 slots
Left Arm: 12 available slots
Shoulder Actuator: 1 slot
Upper Arm Actuator: 1 slot
ER Medium Lasers: 10 slots
Right Arm: 12 available slots
Shoulder Actuator: 1 slot
Upper Arm Actuator: 1 slot
ER Medium Lasers: 10 slots
Left Torso: 12 available slots
ER Medium Lasers: 12 slots
Right Torso: 12 available slots
ER Medium Lasers: 12 slots
Center Torso: 12 available slots
Engine: 6 slots
Gyro: 4 slots
ER Medium Lasers: 2 slots
Left Leg: 6 available slots
Hip Actuator: 1 slot
Upper Leg Actuator: 1 slot
Lower Leg Actuator: 1 slot
Foot Actuator: 1 slot
ER Medium Lasers: 2 slots
Right Leg: 6 available slots
Hip Actuator: 1 slot
Upper Leg Actuator: 1 slot
Lower Leg Actuator: 1 slot
Foot Actuator: 1 slot
ER Medium Lasers: 2 slots
End Report
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It is possible, but like you guys said, not exactly effective.
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 16:02 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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Thanks Ares, now we know it can be done. But it is a Level 3 design, correct? And we all know I detest level 3 here are the Bar and Grill! 
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Ares
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2002 17:09 Post subject: Plans for One Nasty Mech |
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*blinks* detest level 3 tech? whoops
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