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Thunder
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 Posted: 10-Feb-2025 21:13 Post subject: Hardened armor on WiGE, VTOL, Hover |
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You're not allowed to put Hardened armor on WiGE's, VTOL, or Hover units.
BUt, the designer isn't stopping me.
Not sure if its worth the time to enforce legal designs on our part any time soon.
Also a bit of weirdness with hardened armor not applying a mobility penalty to vehicles, But that looks like its a rules interpretation level problem. Both You and Megamek went with it not being applied. Which I think is possibly wrong Rules as written, but has no affect on the actual game so its not a major issue.
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| Posted: 12-Feb-2025 22:39 Post subject: Hardened armor on WiGE, VTOL, Hover |
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I created a bug for it HERE. The designer utility absolutely is intended to prevent illegal designs, so I definitely spend the time to fix the issue when I know about them.
As for the rules, they specifically state "Combat Vehicles using Hardened Armor suffer a +1 Driving Skill modifier, but no loss in MP." I don't think that leaves any room at all for interpretation.
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Thunder
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| Posted: 12-Feb-2025 23:47 Post subject: Hardened armor on WiGE, VTOL, Hover |
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In total warfare yes.
In alpha strike conversion it says that "units" woth hardened armor reduce their mp. If it said mechs instead there would be no confusion.
I kinda dont want to ask an official question because it doesn't matter that much, and because its more accurate how its already been implemented.
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| Posted: 13-Feb-2025 09:52 Post subject: Re: Hardened armor on WiGE, VTOL, Hover |
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| Thunder wrote: | In total warfare yes.
In alpha strike conversion it says that "units" woth hardened armor reduce their mp. If it said mechs instead there would be no confusion.
I kinda dont want to ask an official question because it doesn't matter that much, and because its more accurate how its already been implemented. |
Ahhhh... Alpha Strike! Before the section for Hardened armor, there is a sentence to start that states:
"If a unit has an MP penalty (such as from carrying hardened or modular armor types, or a BattleMech shield), use its modified Walking or Cruising MP when converting to Alpha Strike."
CVs do not have an MP penalty from Hardened armor, and thus why that section does not apply to them. It could definitely be worded better, but that's the case all over the conversion rules in that book!
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