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Karagin
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 Posted: 30-Aug-2002 18:34 Post subject: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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I picked this up last week...and just got the chance to watch...damn fine movie.
They have some deleted sences which in my opinion should have been left in...
The best is the one called the Lake you have some of the enlisted from Moore's unit talking about the SMG and the guy tells the story about this E-7 (SFC) who is battle scared and really a quite kind of guy yet he has that look like he has seen it all. Along with this is a fresh from college ROTC LT...who is so damn sure of himself it's not funny. So the LT is trying to show off and all that green LT do...he orders the platoon to go and get their dress uniforms on with all of their ribbons and medals etc...well the SFC comes back out with NO medals on. To which the LT more or less belittles him front of the whole platoon and orders him to go back inside and come out with ALL of his ribbons and medals...
Well the SFC comes back wearing nothing but his combat boots stark nake with his dog tags and TWO CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONORS on to which the young cocksure LT is now looking like he wishes he could crawl under a rock...and doing the only thing he can do, he slautes the SFC and walks off....
The others guys who are hearing this are like yeah so what's this got to do with the new SMG...to which the storyteller replies the SFC worked for the SMG and was scared to death of him.
That sober them all up really fast.
The whole sence was a classic.
Anyway I highly recommend everyone getting this movie and also reading the book as well.
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| Posted: 30-Aug-2002 18:37 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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On 2002-08-30 18:34, Karagin wrote:
They have some deleted sences which in my opinion should have been left in...
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Why the Hell would they delete scenes when they put it on DVD??????
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Karagin
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| Posted: 30-Aug-2002 19:49 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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Don't know...they are in the special feature area as addons you get commentary with them or you can just watch them.
Grand total time added to the film is about 35 mintues to 40 minutes...
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| Posted: 30-Aug-2002 22:03 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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Those scenes weren't deleted from the transition from screen to DVD. Most likely, it's a batch that had been left on the cutting room floor for whatever reason; or, there is always the occasional alternate sequence. There's two alternates on the Collateral Damage DVD.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 30-Aug-2002 22:14 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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On 2002-08-30 22:03, Kraken wrote:
Those scenes weren't deleted from the transition from screen to DVD. Most likely, it's a batch that had been left on the cutting room floor for whatever reason; or, there is always the occasional alternate sequence. There's two alternates on the Collateral Damage DVD.
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You're correct. I misread Karagin's post to say that they were in the movie but were removed for the DVD.
My bad.
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| Posted: 31-Aug-2002 05:12 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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>I picked this up last week...and just got the >chance to watch...damn fine movie.
Urgh. You have no taste. My friend dragged me to see it and is one of the worst movies I've seen in a time, slightly above Pearl Harbor and Gladiator but not much.
It's just a shameless attempt by Mel Gibson to cash in the fad for war movies and show off in camera. There are too many Vietnam movies already and this sucks badly. It's so bad it didn't deserve a review.
Bad script, bad acting, low budget, Gibson hogs up all the camera, bad action scenes...all this and more combined make this movie a subproduct. I wondered where they filmed the outdoors, because sure as hell. it doesn't look like the Vietnam highlands.
Action scenes are horrible, judging by them alone, it looks like the Americans won the war.
This movie is crap, plain and simple, don't take a second look at it and go for "Windtalkers", now that's a fine movie, nothing extraordinary but a good, solid war movie.
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| Posted: 31-Aug-2002 12:20 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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On 2002-08-31 05:12, Vampire wrote:
>I picked this up last week...and just got the >chance to watch...damn fine movie.
Urgh. You have no taste. My friend dragged me to see it and is one of the worst movies I've seen in a time, slightly above Pearl Harbor and Gladiator but not much.
It's just a shameless attempt by Mel Gibson to cash in the fad for war movies and show off in camera. There are too many Vietnam movies already and this sucks badly. It's so bad it didn't deserve a review.
Bad script, bad acting, low budget, Gibson hogs up all the camera, bad action scenes...all this and more combined make this movie a subproduct. I wondered where they filmed the outdoors, because sure as hell. it doesn't look like the Vietnam highlands.
Action scenes are horrible, judging by them alone, it looks like the Americans won the war.
This movie is crap, plain and simple, don't take a second look at it and go for "Windtalkers", now that's a fine movie, nothing extraordinary but a good, solid war movie.
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Sorry you didn't like it. As for Windtalkers that a good movie and it went over as well as We Were Soldiers over here in the States...sorry that you couldn't look past Mel Gisbon and see the movie for what it was, Hal Moore's life and the lives of the soldiers under him for three days in the Ia Drang Valley.
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| Posted: 31-Aug-2002 13:10 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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>.sorry that you couldn't look past Mel Gisbon >and see the movie for what it was,
What part of "bad movie" you don't understand? It sucked badly on every account, that is what I saw.
Let alone that Mel Gibson has a lot of nerve playing the Vietnam hero when it's a known fact that his family emigrated to Australia so he and his brothers could avoid the draft. I wouldn't put it past them, but it's pointless that Gibson makes a movie about something that's completely alien to him. Guilty conscience maybe? Or worse, an attempt to portray himself as the all American hero to earn more $$$-
This flick is a shameless self promotional plug for Mel Gibson that is attempted to be passed as the "Private Ryan movie" in Vietnam version.
> Hal Moore's life and the lives of the soldiers under him for three days in the Ia Drang Valley.
Action scenes are stupid. I wish directors tried to use real soldiers as extras or at least drill them a bit into the basics of infantry maneuver.
Acting is bad and superficial, and overall it's just another trite war heroics movie without any critical insight of the mess the US got itself into, and it doesn't even have a credible portrayal of men in battle. To put it bluntly, this movie slips a bit into propaganda, jingoism, and gloryfing of war. Something that could be excused thirty years ago, but I don't believe mature viewers are going to buy it, still, there's a sucker born every minute, so maybe this serves as a recruiting ad.
The best Vietnam movie ever is "Hamburguer Hill". Don't waste time in trash like this.
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| Posted: 31-Aug-2002 15:30 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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Again that's your opinion of the movie. I liked it, plus I liked the book.
The movie was a decent attempt of making the book into a movie and I think they got it right for once, with less of the Hollywood BS that normally turns up in a movie that is taken from actually events.
As for Hamburger Hill, that was a good one as well.
I am sorry you didn't like the movie, maybe the next war movie they do will be one that you like.
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| Posted: 31-Aug-2002 16:55 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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sorry my friend but this is once were your exhaustive research has let you down.....
hal moore himself over saw most of the production of the movie.....
the actors did go thru a basic boot camp.....
and the main objective of the producer and director was to NOT get just another glorifing of war......
which imnho was achived.
mel was choosen because of his rair ability to show true emotion in his eyes and on his face...... and randel wallace liked what he did in brave heart.
so as your opinion has been stated, i personely feel your very much in error.
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| Posted: 31-Aug-2002 18:44 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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On 2002-08-31 13:10, Vampire wrote:
Let alone that Mel Gibson has a lot of nerve playing the Vietnam hero when it's a known fact that his family emigrated to Australia so he and his brothers could avoid the draft. I wouldn't put it past them, but it's pointless that Gibson makes a movie about something that's completely alien to him. Guilty conscience maybe? Or worse, an attempt to portray himself as the all American hero to earn more $$$-
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http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/ap/20020228/101491197200.html
Mel Gibson's father was not a draft dodger, according to this report. Even if he was, it has nothing to do with Mel Gibson playing this role.
I also dispute your claim that Mel Gibson was in this just to make himself look more like a hero, etc. Before this movie opened in theaters, it was shown to the cadets at West Point (I'm not sure if the other academies got to see it or not) for free. afterwards the cadets got to talk to Hal Moore and they did an in depth examination of the battle, from all sides (Hal Moore wrote his book with the cooperation and input of the NVA officers he fought against). If I recall correctly, Mel Gibson was there, but he stayed back and let the credit go to those who deserved it: the soldiers who served and the cadets who will serve.
You complain that the movie made it seem as if the United Sates won the Vietnam war. The fact is that militarily, we were defeating the NVA and the Viet Cong on a tactical level. We were also successful on the strategic level to a point: it was the beancounters in Washington, McNamarra and Johnson, who were trying to micro-manage the war and forced the military to fight with one hand tied behind it's back (DMZ's and other nonsense rules), and the idiot peaceniks who fell victim to KGB propoganda and agents provoctuer and started the United States public opinion against the war. All of the major riots/peade protests and most of the minor ones were instigated by KGB officials and used as a cover to try to infiltrate secure U.S. military facilities.
The purpose of this wovie was to simply show what the soldiers went through (on boths sides, although understandably the focus is on the American soldiers), how they did their jobs because it was their duty.
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2002 06:59 Post subject: RE: We Were Soldiers DVD... |
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Quite right. Militarily, we won the war hands down. The Vietcong were destroyed as a fighting force during the Tet Offensive and the North Vietnamese Regular Army took over after that. We won every major battle and just about every minor battle too. Vietnam didn't fall until after we had pulled out, to an armored invasion by the NVA.
Even then South Vietnam fell mostly because of two things. First, we had pulled most of our troops out after spending a decade teaching our allies to let us make all the decisions in the field, they had few real combat leaders in their army when we pulled out. And second the GOVT pretty much shut off the supply pipeline to the SV Army. They were short on all kinds of spare parts when the NVA invaded.
Politically, we lost. We were there to stop the commies, but as soon as we left, they took over anyway. And then our military got blamed for losing when they won every major battle they fought over there. And congress and the state department didn't mind largly avoiding that blame one bit.
But after that our military was really messed up, low budget, low manpower, very low morale, etc. The majority of their own country had spit on them and their own govt. had wasted every victory and advantage their effort and blood had won for the negociating table. It took Ronald Reagan to turn that around.
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