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Kraken
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Type/Model: Sentry
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Hovercraft
Rules: Level 1-FA, Standard design
Mass: 10 tons
Power Plant: 40 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 86.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 129.6 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 LRM 5
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
As the name implies, the Sentry tank was created as a light vehicle suitable
for long-range patrols. The hover ability was chosen as it allowed the vehicle
to travel with speed and even over water if the situation so arose. .3 tons of
cargo provide room for supplies in the event that the driver finds himself in
the field for an extended period.
==Variants:==
The turret is designed so that it can easily be removed and replaced with
other weapons. The most common replacements are an SRM 4 or 4 machine guns. An
version under consideration arms the vehicle with 4 RL 10s, and has the ammo
bay used for additional cargo.
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Type/Model: Sentry
Mass: 10 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 5 pts Standard 0 1.00
Engine: 40 I.C.E. 0 2.00
Cruise MP: 8
Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 .50
Crew: 1 Members 0 .00
Lift Equipment: 0 1.00
Turret Equipment: 0 .20
Armor Factor: 32 pts Standard 0 2.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 1 9
Left / Right Sides: 1 7/7
Rear: 1 4
Turret: 1 5
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 LRM 5 Turret 0 24 2 3.00
Cargo Bay Capacity Body 1 .30
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TOTALS: 0 3 10.00
Items & Tons Left: 4 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 147,200 C-Bills
Battle Value: 125
Cost per BV: 1,177.6
Weapon Value: 22 / 22 (Ratio = .18 / .18)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 2; MRDmg = 2; LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2: MP: 8H, Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 1
Specials: tran0
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Karagin
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| Posted: 14-Jul-2005 17:14 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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A patrol vehicle with an LRM system as it's main weapon? Ammo issues become a major limitation to the vehicle in the long run as well as the short term once it get's into combat.
You would be better off going with Lasers or a mix of weapons. OR changing the fluff, calling the vehicle a support unit or a cheap missile system or something other then a patrol vehicle.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 14-Jul-2005 23:03 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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I don't see a problem with it's missle system. It's longer range allows it to engage at a farther range and it's speed allows it to stay there. Reminds me of the Harrier Light Hovertank. Almost exact same stats too.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 14-Jul-2005 23:26 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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A patrol vehicle normally has weapons that are non-ammo dependant, and also don't give away their postion so clearly as LRMs would do. Counter battery Radar would give the enemy a nice grid to blast and if they are in doubt to number of units, then they are going to pound several grids around that area.
I don't see any IS power shelling out money for a missile vehicle that is toted as a patrol vehicle.
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Kraken
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| Posted: 14-Jul-2005 23:41 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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Well, we have missile tanks that can haul infantry (such as the Blizzard), so why not a missile tank that can patrol?
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 15-Jul-2005 04:00 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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Just think of the official Packrat LRPV (Long Range Patrol Vehicle!). It´s armed with a SRM-6 and a rear-firering Flamer and fluff calls for a LRM-variant! 
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| Posted: 15-Jul-2005 04:21 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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On 2005-07-14 23:26, Karagin wrote:
A patrol vehicle normally has weapons that are non-ammo dependant, and also don't give away their postion so clearly as LRMs would do. Counter battery Radar would give the enemy a nice grid to blast and if they are in doubt to number of units, then they are going to pound several grids around that area.
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Counter-battery RADAR also gives a bright shining beacon for the tank to direct fire at. Remember that most battlefield units run RADAR-off; modern sensors can pinpoint the location of RADAR emissions, revealing the unit using it.
Simplistically put, RADAR points both ways.
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| Posted: 15-Jul-2005 04:44 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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On 2005-07-14 23:26, Karagin wrote:
I don't see any IS power shelling out money for a missile vehicle that is toted as a patrol vehicle.
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Patrol doesn't mean quite the same as scouting, does it? I'd imagine these are used as cheap first warning units around major bases, where ammo is not really a concern. When Sentry number 33 starts drawing artillery fire you can be pretty sure there's enemies about. 
Not that I see any problem with using these for other funny duty, like laying LRM minefields. It's fast enough to go for a reload and still get the work done. A cheap unit like this also leaves others free to pursue more important goals.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 15-Jul-2005 08:45 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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No way radar works both ways... 
The point here and you missed it Warhammer, is once the Sentry fires, it becomes a target. And while it can run, that doesn't alway mean it will get away, once it engages in anything other then long range figthing it's dead. Thus the enemy's return fire will be a major issue for the commander of the vehicle.
And no most units don't run radar off, they run in passive mode, till they need to go into active mode. And if the enemy has decent Elint capicaty then basic radio chatter.
Around a base sure the Sentry works fine, no ammo or lack of secondary weapons to really worry about since it has backup.
Patrolling/Scouting...both are more or less the same thing. You scout to find the enemy and watch him, you patrol to find the enemy and either watch him or engage him.
So while we have a decent missile support vehicle, we have neither a patrol or scout vehicle.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 15-Jul-2005 17:43 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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Radar can work against you. There's equipment to detect and locate a radar wave's source.
I view scouting as more of unknown/enemy territory recon. Patrolling is done more on secured/semi-secured/friendly territory. And I still don't see the problem using this tank for patrolling. It costs just under 150k. That's pretty cheap for it's size and speed. It's speed combined with it's weapon's long range give it the ability to avoid taking damage as much as possible. As far as incoming arty fire, what's the lag time between the firing of arty and it's arrival on the mapboard?
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| Posted: 15-Jul-2005 20:52 Post subject: RE: Sentry light tank |
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On 2005-07-15 17:43, Seraph wrote:
Radar can work against you. There's equipment to detect and locate a radar wave's source.
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Exactly. Combat RADAR systems also listen for other sources. Pinging the battlefield will not only light up everyone on your screen, but lights you up on theirs.
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