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StarRaven
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 Posted: 29-Sep-2004 17:46 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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That thought never occurred to me. To me, removing armor from a 'Mech in favor of weapons is akin to screaming "kill me now!!!" or "I don't deserve to win!!" I just don't understand why anyone would remove armor for weapons. No point in having weapons if you're not alive to use them, is there? Especially on a medium 'Mech, where two tons is a fifth or more of its armor.
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Erenon
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 29-Sep-2004 19:04 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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That might be because we have always been designing front-line combat mechs..
now we are looking at something that's more general purpose. A utility Mech that just happens to be able to give raiders something to worry about.
Of course, nothing's concrete yet 
plenty of room for debate here
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Seraph
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| Posted: 29-Sep-2004 20:31 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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Sorry, but thicker armor will avail you little if you have not the means with which to remove those firing upon you as a threat. Take the CGR-1A1 Charger. 10 tons of armor, 2.5 tons of weapons. Reduce the armor for weapons and you may have a mech that will make people not ignore it. Even if this were a front-line battlemech I would vote to reduce the armor to make room for equipment that would complete the "vision" the mech was designed for.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 29-Sep-2004 20:41 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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The Charger isn't the best example, as this has quite a bit more frepower. And I'd still rather lose machine guns or the Beagle than armor. Which is again why I vote for a 55 ton 'Mech. A 55 ton 'Mech can have everything everyone wants; MGs, Beagle, and armor.
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cain
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 30-Sep-2004 06:40 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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normally my first words would be remove the mgs but in this case i cant i think max armour is a must so id be willing to go with 55 tons to make room but the beagle has to stay man its downright necesary
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 30-Sep-2004 08:40 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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Well, it IS a design by committee. Let's go with whatever keeps most people happy. I can live with a 55 ton mech, if it's what we need to get it off the drawing board.
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Oafman
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 30-Sep-2004 09:55 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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Then I will call for a motion to approve 55 tons for the weight of the chassis.
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Erenon
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| Posted: 30-Sep-2004 10:07 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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I cna live with 55 tons too....
just hope the next one is a little lighter..
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Motown Scrapper
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| Posted: 30-Sep-2004 21:33 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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55 tons sounds good for the specification I would like to see the armour maxed out the MGs are the weapons that can be gotten along with-out the best.
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Ronin
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| Posted: 05-Oct-2004 09:42 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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If we ditch the second medium laser and the extra heat sink, we can still pull this in at 50 tons with almost maximum armor.
I vote nay on the 55 tons, but will go along with whatever the majority vote calls for.
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cain
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| Posted: 05-Oct-2004 09:51 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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needs both lasers ammo might not be available all the time
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Ronin
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| Posted: 06-Oct-2004 10:27 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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| ok, I'll vote 55 tons. Let's get this design finished. Where do we want to put all this stuff on the chasis?
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Oafman
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| Posted: 06-Oct-2004 11:39 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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I think that the arms should be left free of the weapons. You will want to be able to defend yourself if the mech is carrying a load.
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bladewind
Free Rasalhague Republic
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| Posted: 06-Oct-2004 11:46 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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A class 10 A/C in the right torso with 2 tons of ammo store in the arms. If u want cheap cost then no case for u buddy. Blowing the arms is better then blowing the torso.
My vote is for 55 too. An extra 2 tons can mean another heatsink and a ton of ammo.
[ This Message was edited by: bladewind on 2004-10-06 11:48 ]
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 07-Oct-2004 12:29 Post subject: RE: DALCB proposal |
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The AC looks good in the RT. Beagle probe in the left?
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