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Karagin
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 Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:07 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 12:07, Ruger wrote:
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On 2005-09-25 10:42, Karagin wrote:
Go back and read the scenario book about the Battle for Terra, it menations things about attacks on WoB AFTER they took Terra by ComStar rebels as well as other groups ON TERRA.
I also believe the ComStar FM mentions it as well. Hope that helps you and Ruger out.
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A few attacks back then by rebel groups that were probably mostly stamped out long ago does not make for a huge, global spanning, uprising populace...
Especially when you have had 10 years to assimilate them...
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100 LY around Terra and then all of the other attacks, I doubt Skye would have launched an attack in the FWL just because it was there, if you have forgotten up to this point things were more or less quite, with the Lyrans rebuilding from the Civil War and the Jade Falcon attacks. So why would they attack the FWL...
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Ok...I don't have the book, but IIRC from what others have said that do, Skye didn't attack the FWL...the FWL attacked Skye...
I could be wrong though...
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Amazing how they can beat rebels better and faster then anyone else in the IS and do it so they never come back...wow again the WoB must be the luckist group in the whole BT universe.
Come doesn't anything about all of this raise any flags or make folks wonder about how all to easy it is for the WoB to do all of this. Yes they end up losing but again not until uberman shows up etc...Sorry but things aren't being explained or shown in any convincing way.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:09 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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Again go and read the Battle For Terra scenario book it mentions hold out operations on Terra and other things left behind by ComStar. Yet again none of this even slows the WoB down.
Terra might give them some of the factories that they can build things, but it's clear via TRO3055U that things weren't and aren't perfect if the WoB has to bring in outside sources to fix things. Now I maybe streaching things but that does suggest things aren't all the warm and fuzzy. Add that to the info from the Battle of Terra and other bits here and there and you have the needed info on the rebels and other insurgents. I find it very hard for whole of Terra to willing follow the WoB.
And yes I did read your post and yes I did respond to you and Ruger in one posting. Since you are both asking the same thing.
Bottom line here is I don't buy anything about the plot line. For starters why would the WoB go gunning for the Dragoons? That part makes no sense. Then there is all the money they have, yet no one notices and they can buy mechs, rebuild factories and train an army and all is missed, sorry but that is why to convenient. Way to much that doesn't make sense.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:12 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 20:00, Vagabond wrote:
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On 2005-09-25 19:18, Wanallo wrote:
So the Great houses and clans still exist?
From the original map on the Wizkids site i can remember it being much smaller than the original classic map. So is the story now completely centred around the Republic?
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I think this is a miss conception many people assume. The Republic of the Sphere is only the immediate area surrounding Terra, which was at one point the Terran Hemogony. All the Houses, Clans, and Comstar still exist in MW:DA timeline, they are just not the focus. If you look at the Republic map and then find the outter world on that map on the BT map, it is not that large. considerable in size yes but still small vs the whole.
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Yes it's only around Terra. But the strikes WoB does reaches as far as Tamar if the MWDA history is correct. But I don't want to upset Chihawk and bring up the MWDA in this dicussion.
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McBride
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:24 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 18:33, ralgith wrote:
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On 2005-09-25 11:00, ralgith wrote:
Whats all this WotC crap? They didn't buy FASA WizKids did. WotC was bought by Hasbro, and at that time had purchased TSR among others.
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WizKids is owned/run by WotC, which is in turn owned by Hasbro. WizKids is the name that Wizards use for their HeroClicks, BT: DA, and other similar products, while reserving the WotC "brand name" for their other products (D&D, Magic, etc). In short, WizKids and WotC are essentially (not completely) the same entity.
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Actually, IIRC, WizKids has been bought out by Topps...
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Correct, as far as I know WizKids was never owned by WotC... but I could be wrong.
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They were when FASA was bought, I don't know about anymore though. I hate WotC with a passion anymore. They haven't produced a good product in years.
As the the Jihad and the DA, it's safe to say the TPTB failed to even think about it. They just looked, said "Well, this is bound to sell some books and bring people to the game" and went with it. It wasn't until after that they realized "Well... maybe we should try and explain it". By then, they didn't really leave much room to build a reasonable story. Just one way to look at why things are the way they are.
That and the fact that every time period in BT seems to have a favourite, and this time it was WoB.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:48 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 21:09, Karagin wrote:
Again go and read the Battle For Terra scenario book it mentions hold out operations on Terra and other things left behind by ComStar. Yet again none of this even slows the WoB down.
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Again, I do not have that source book.
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Terra might give them some of the factories that they can build things, but it's clear via TRO3055U that things weren't and aren't perfect if the WoB has to bring in outside sources to fix things. Now I maybe streaching things but that does suggest things aren't all the warm and fuzzy. Add that to the info from the Battle of Terra and other bits here and there and you have the needed info on the rebels and other insurgents. I find it very hard for whole of Terra to willing follow the WoB.
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And I never said that there was no insurgent activities on Terra. I simply said that I believe the majority, please note i said majority as in above 50% of, of the populace would either not care or believe in WoB. WoB formed because a faction disliked the changes. After Vic took over, it was no suprise to see more leave. They simply didn't believe in the new way. There training was to ingained to simply change that easily.
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And yes I did read your post and yes I did respond to you and Ruger in one posting. Since you are both asking the same thing.
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Well, I would say we asked similar things. And it does explain the attitude that came across to me.
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Bottom line here is I don't buy anything about the plot line. For starters why would the WoB go gunning for the Dragoons? That part makes no sense. Then there is all the money they have, yet no one notices and they can buy mechs, rebuild factories and train an army and all is missed, sorry but that is why to convenient. Way to much that doesn't make sense.
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As for the Dragoons, all i can guess is the old phrase: the best defence is a great offence. They simply hit the biggest kid in school so that they wouldn't face them later.
As for the rest, ya it does make little sense, but i honestly cannot comment beyond that.
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:50 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 21:12, Karagin wrote:
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On 2005-09-25 20:00, Vagabond wrote:
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On 2005-09-25 19:18, Wanallo wrote:
So the Great houses and clans still exist?
From the original map on the Wizkids site i can remember it being much smaller than the original classic map. So is the story now completely centred around the Republic?
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I think this is a miss conception many people assume. The Republic of the Sphere is only the immediate area surrounding Terra, which was at one point the Terran Hemogony. All the Houses, Clans, and Comstar still exist in MW:DA timeline, they are just not the focus. If you look at the Republic map and then find the outter world on that map on the BT map, it is not that large. considerable in size yes but still small vs the whole.
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Yes it's only around Terra. But the strikes WoB does reaches as far as Tamar if the MWDA history is correct. But I don't want to upset Chihawk and bring up the MWDA in this dicussion.
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In this specific aspect, I believe it is ok because it pretains to our discussion on the CBT aspect of the Jihad.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 21:57 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 19:18, Wanallo wrote:
So the Great houses and clans still exist?
From the original map on the Wizkids site i can remember it being much smaller than the original classic map. So is the story now completely centred around the Republic?
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The majority of the novels do center on the Republic, especially in the beginning...we are, however, beginning to see some of the goings-on of the Houses and Clans outside the Republic...
As for what\'s what, look below:
As can be seen on this map, the FWL has fractured following the Jihad, and all houses and clans have gained and lost some territory...the Republic of the Sphere was formed from the worlds primarily within 120 light years of Terra...the Snow Ravens have joined with the Outworlds Alliance to form the Raven Alliance, the Ghost Bear Dominion has taken control of the remainder of the Free Rasalhague Republic to form the Rasalhague Dominion, and Clan Hell\'s Horses has taken worlds from both the Jade Falcons and the Wolves to form their own Occupation Zone...the Diamond Sharks have taken 3 worlds, but are space gypsy\'s for the most part, travelling about the Sphere in their massive arcships (converted from their Potemkin-class troop cruisers)...and as for the other, Homeworld Clans, little or nothing is known since the Wars of Reaving occured...
Hope this answers some questions for you...
BTW...the map is available for sale at BattleCorps...
Oh, and the current map of the Republic of the Sphere looks somewhat...different...look in the front of the novel, Fortress Republic, to see what I mean...
Ruger
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 22:02 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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Looks like Davion has made up for its' losses to the Republic by eating more of the Confederation (which is good.  ), and the Confederation turned around and ate part of the League (which is bad.  ).
I'm kinda surprised to see the League (well, its pieces) still exist. The way the IS works as I understand it wouldn't allow for such a situation (with the exception of the FRR, which exists more out of convenience than anything else). I would expect the Lyrans and the Capellans to just annex and conquer the "shards" of the League.
PS: "for sale"? Man, I miss the ISCS...
[ This Message was edited by: Warhammer: 3025 on 2005-09-25 22:10 ]
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 22:07 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 22:02, Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
Looks like Davion has made up for its' losses to the Republic by eating more of the Confederation (which is good. ), and the Confederation turned around and ate part of the League (which is bad. )
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Actually, there was consumption on both sides by Davion and the Confederation...both took some worlds from each other...too bad for Kittery...too bad for Victoria...
I personally like the massive gains by House Steiner against the FWL, but hate the losses by House Steiner to Clans Jade Falcon and Wolf...Arcturus in particular hurts...but at least we got Pandora back...
Still it helps me when I consider that my Horses took worlds from both those Clans... 
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 22:52 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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If I am giving out attitude it's unintened. I am just flustrated with this whole storyline and it's lack of grounding in the reality of the daily concepts of the BT universe.
Just think they (TPTB) can do better and give us something that makes things interesting and believable.
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 23:30 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 22:52, Karagin wrote:
If I am giving out attitude it's unintened. I am just flustrated with this whole storyline and it's lack of grounding in the reality of the daily concepts of the BT universe.
Just think they (TPTB) can do better and give us something that makes things interesting and believable.
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Unfortionatly TPTB have locked themselves in to that time line since they have a lot of product already produced that ia based on it. It would be nice if MW:DA could be treated as a divergant time line and the CBT line continued with out the Jihad but there is probably too much product that has been already created that can not be just trashed so we are stuck with that. The only other options are to 1) stay pre-3067 or 2) create you own or use another fan created timeline.
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| Posted: 25-Sep-2005 23:34 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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On 2005-09-25 22:52, Karagin wrote:
If I am giving out attitude it's unintened. I am just flustrated with this whole storyline and it's lack of grounding in the reality of the daily concepts of the BT universe.
Just think they (TPTB) can do better and give us something that makes things interesting and believable.
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I was hopin you wouldn't mistake my words; however, i see you did.
I ment the general feel of the post. it just felt like it was directed at 2 people.
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| Posted: 26-Sep-2005 04:13 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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Another option would be to lurk around, watching events, accepting whole thing after the situation gets acceptable again and simply not playing in the Jihad era (my choice).
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| Posted: 26-Sep-2005 04:29 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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By the way another strange thing is that the clans were almost untouched by the events. I would expect them to do strike when the states are weakened and league falls ...
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| Posted: 26-Sep-2005 04:43 Post subject: RE: Dawn Of The Jihad |
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Well, this whole thing with pawns (Stones?) turning universe is another one of my not too liked ways to do things.
But I think that if the creators (whoever that was) just played a little with proper timing of the events and reworked some parts, the story wold be much better.
Maybe inserting few years of total warfare would cover more things (reworking the universe to DA), but I fear that the stories were created around time-line, that was made without careful consideration. I would rather wait one more year for perfect product, than receiving somewhat strange thing now.
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