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Gunslinger Patch
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 Posted: 30-Jan-2005 01:01 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Hmm... the raptor isn't a shooter, its an ECM platform. So figure every battlestar has a squadron of them, however many that is.
But again, they got 21 pilots to fly it with.
Actually, I keep waiting for Starbuck or someone to do a tour of the refugee ships. There's bound to be some ex-military, retired people, civilian pilots among them. If they did a few scenes of that they could cough up another dozen or so pilots easy, plus a hundred or two crew.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 30-Jan-2005 07:45 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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On 2005-01-30 01:01, Gunslinger Patch wrote:
Actually, I keep waiting for Starbuck or someone to do a tour of the refugee ships. There's bound to be some ex-military, retired people, civilian pilots among them. If they did a few scenes of that they could cough up another dozen or so pilots easy, plus a hundred or two crew.
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That's in essence what happened in this past episode...they went through all 50,000 people, and found everyone who had flight experience...they found less than 10 (IIRC) people with a similar kind of flight experience to what is required, that wasn't already required to fly the other ships...and only one of these had been through the military academy (and had washed out at the time)...
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Gunslinger Patch
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| Posted: 31-Jan-2005 01:47 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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I didn't get to catch the last episode, hopefully I'll find it on the rerun.
Sounds like the recruits were script driven. They had hundreds of battlestars, each with hundreds of pilots. Plus who knows how many more pilots stationed planetside. Realistically they could have come up with at least a few former viper pilots out of 50k people.
Say 300 pilots per battlestar, it was over 300 on the old one, not sure if they've said how many the new one can carry. Call it 250 battlestars plus other pilots ashore, at least a quarter as many as on ships (probably more actually, to use as replacements), call it 100,000 active duty pilots. Figure many of those are in for one hitch, call it 6 years. So each year 16k pilots are leaving the colonial fleet. Yep, they could have found a few of those guys on one of those refugee ships. That they didn't has to be a script-driven event.
You know, in the old series and new, it strongly implies that the colonies themselves had no military on planet at all, just the battlestars. And it would seem to be implied that the fleet does not hang around close to any particular colony planet. No ground troops, no dirtside viper bases. No straggling vipers and shuttles loaded with troops escaping to join up with Galactica.
In the new pilot, Boomer and friend take the shuttle to a planet to check for survivors. But they don't try to contact a military base, or land at one, they just land in a meadow out in the boonies. With no consideration of meeting any other colonial soldiers. You see what I mean?
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| Posted: 31-Jan-2005 08:23 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Well, Boomer and Helo were in a damaged Raptor when they landed. I think putting down in one piece in order to make repairs was higher priority than landing at an established base.
Plus, they knew the Cylons were attacking military installations and civillian targets. In that situation if I thought I could complete the repairs in the field I would as well.
The miniseries also mentioned that the Cylons destroyed the Fleet Headquarters on Picon. The series also later shows a flashback sequence of Adama meeting Starbuck at a ground based training facility. It also mentions and shows Marines, implying that there is an infantry/security force.
Seems safe to bet that there was a large part of colonial military that we did not see and no longer exists.
What I wonder about is that the colonials had no other military ships other than a battlestar. What about support ships? Something without the most up to date systems that could be easily subverted by the Cylons? I know this is all nitpicking, it just seems inconsistent.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 31-Jan-2005 17:26 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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On 2005-01-31 01:47, Gunslinger Patch wrote:
Realistically they could have come up with at least a few former viper pilots out of 50k people.
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Maybe old ones...otherwise, they did manage to find the one washout...all active duty Viper Pilots were likely killed either on the ground, on the battlestars, or when the Cylons wiped out their Vipers after deactivating them...
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Say 300 pilots per battlestar, it was over 300 on the old one, not sure if they've said how many the new one can carry.
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Got a reference for that? Again, in the original show, when leaving the colonies, the Galactica had 68 Vipers, only 26 of which were her own...adding Apollo's back to the numbers reported on the bridge...
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Call it 250 battlestars plus other pilots ashore, at least a quarter as many as on ships (probably more actually, to use as replacements),
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The fleet consisted of around 120 battlestars at the time of the attack in the miniseries... (Adama: "They took out 30 battlestars in the initial attack." Starbuck: "That's a quarter of the fleet.")
And indications are there are only maybe 100 or so Viper craft normally carried...
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call it 100,000 active duty pilots. Figure many of those are in for one hitch, call it 6 years. So each year 16k pilots are leaving the colonial fleet. Yep, they could have found a few of those guys on one of those refugee ships. That they didn't has to be a script-driven event.
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Again, the Cylon attack was virtually complete as far as the military is concerned...they had all the codes to every bit of military data, and the ability to shut down everything that had Baltar's programming in it...which was every single ship and fighter in the fleet except the Galactica...
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In the new pilot, Boomer and friend take the shuttle to a planet to check for survivors. But they don't try to contact a military base, or land at one, they just land in a meadow out in the boonies. With no consideration of meeting any other colonial soldiers. You see what I mean?
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Incorrect...they are forced to land on Caprica to repair their damaged Raptor...and with all military bases already either slagged or in the process of being slagged, out in the boonies was their only choice...
Rewatch the mini-series, what happens and the results from it make sense...
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Ruger
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| Posted: 31-Jan-2005 17:29 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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On 2005-01-31 08:23, Hardware wrote:
What I wonder about is that the colonials had no other military ships other than a battlestar. What about support ships? Something without the most up to date systems that could be easily subverted by the Cylons? I know this is all nitpicking, it just seems inconsistent.
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EVERYTHING had Baltar's new programming (or whatever it was)...even the Galactica had had it sent to her (notice her advanced fighters got wiped out during the attack...the only reason the Galactica wasn't as affected was the because her computers were not networked and not all of them had had it uploaded)...anything that had it was shut down and destroyed...
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Gunslinger Patch
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| Posted: 31-Jan-2005 20:26 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Ok, 120 battlestars. And only the galactica was old construction? And they didn't knock out every military ship by remote control. Boomer's raptor kept flying when the Vipers shut down. Unless it comes out later they left Boomer alone on purpose. But how could they know that was her unless they are also interstellar telepaths with ranges of dozens of light years?
Even damaged, would you just come down from orbit and set down in a meadow, unsure whether you could fix it? Or would you try to contact a military base to land at? If they had 120 battlestars there would have been at least that many bases dirtside. Plus innumerable civilain spaceports/airfields, public and private.
I read very long ago that the old Galactica could carry over 300 Vipers, I'd like to say 360 of them. Buts its been so long I couldn't tell you where I read that. The ones they had when they fled, as another reminded me, were what was left after the cylons ambushed the fleet and Adama launched his squadrons and left them to fight while the ship headed for Caprica I think it was.
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| Posted: 31-Jan-2005 20:56 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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On 2005-01-31 20:26, Gunslinger Patch wrote:
Ok, 120 battlestars. And only the galactica was old construction?
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Yes...she was the only ship left over from the original Battlestars, which is why she was being converted to a museum...
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And they didn't knock out every military ship by remote control. Boomer's raptor kept flying when the Vipers shut down. Unless it comes out later they left Boomer alone on purpose. But how could they know that was her unless they are also interstellar telepaths with ranges of dozens of light years?
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One episode clearly shows Boomer acting on her Cylon programming while being mostly into her human side (see the search for water in 33 IIRC)...it's entirely possible that she was sending out some sort of signal to the fighters to leave her Raptor alone...
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Even damaged, would you just come down from orbit and set down in a meadow, unsure whether you could fix it? Or would you try to contact a military base to land at? If they had 120 battlestars there would have been at least that many bases dirtside. Plus innumerable civilain spaceports/airfields, public and private.
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If I knew that my military bases and likely ALL airfields/spaceports are under attack as they are prime targets to prevent any enemy opposition from getting airborne? Yes, I would set down in the field...even moreso if my craft was damaged enough that it would be too risky flying it elsewhere...
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I read very long ago that the old Galactica could carry over 300 Vipers, I'd like to say 360 of them. Buts its been so long I couldn't tell you where I read that. The ones they had when they fled, as another reminded me, were what was left after the cylons ambushed the fleet and Adama launched his squadrons and left them to fight while the ship headed for Caprica I think it was.
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If it wasn't expressed in the tv show, it's not truly official canon...
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| Posted: 01-Feb-2005 00:37 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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The raptor is an ECM bird to boot. IIRC, she jammed the Cylons and got out of dodge.
On Galactica, she's the last of the old Battlstars, being kept around because Adama is a sacred cow in their military. They were retiring him and his ship at the same time.
In the original series there were 12 battlstars, one for each colony (Adama's Galactica was the representative of Caprica). The battlestars were designed as carriers with decent defensive weapons. Commander Caine's Pegasus to the contrary, they weren't designed with broadside to broadside battles in mind.
I would imagine there are support vessels in the Colonial Fleet, but they would have been with the real ships, not a floating musuem like Galactica.
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| Posted: 02-Feb-2005 23:56 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Maybe some "out dated" ships in mothballs? I would have expected a few of those at the Depot they rearmed at. Hey! come to think of it, how long are those magazines they filled going to last? I figure - typical holywood- that once the ammo is in magazines that it can be eternally replicated in necessary quantity for the plot line.
Maybe they will find some "depots" along the trail to Earth? I know in the old series that there were primative colonies and at least 1 encounter with another BattleStar, where they picked up a lot of new warriors.
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Daphne Wilde
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 00:39 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Just a thought;
Could't the Cylon overall operational objective in letting the galactica's fleet 'escape' be so they can follow and round up any/all humans that are found so that they can complete the program of extermination?
Just a side thought.
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| Posted: 03-Feb-2005 00:48 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Yes, They seem to believe in a single diety, while the "colonists" believe in a pantheon at the very least. This is a holy war in a way, and the Cylons may be in it as much for that as for revenge/ saftey.
Both parties are in for a shock when Earth is reached. Monotheistic humans that (In view of Shadowrun, and some basic advance outlined in Wired) have a varying percentage of their bodies enhanced or repaired by cybernetics. Given this is science fiction, and the actual date can match up with our theoretical future.
Galactica meets a strange mix of Shadowrun/Battletech?
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| Posted: 05-Feb-2005 13:29 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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I,ve seen a few episodes of battlestar galictica and from what ive seen it looks pretty good. the story line is a little differnet from the original which is good. should turn out to be good show.
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| Posted: 05-Feb-2005 14:20 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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Cylon number 6 is really starting to annoy me.
If there is a reason in the immediate near future why I am going to stop watching this show, it will be entirely because of her.
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| Posted: 08-Feb-2005 04:28 Post subject: RE: The new Battlestar Galactica... |
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I watched a few at the beginning of the series, I liked what I saw, but I dont really have the time to devote to watching it regularly. As it is I've cut my tv ration down to two hours of stargate a week.
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