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Wanallo
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 Posted: 03-Nov-2004 09:53 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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Some of the older mechs are downright nasty. Besides, how could you improve on some of those designs? The Awesome with 3 PPC's it could be an excellent mech if you played it right. Just like the Whitworth, some of the newer mechs just seem to cram on as many ER PPC's and double heat sinks as possible.
Heat was a massive part of level one battles, it hardly features in some games because of the DHS.
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DarkAdder
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 14:20 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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You stated that there were a million topics that could be discussed before this one even showed up on radar. So lets hear a few Chi. 
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chihawk
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 14:49 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 14:20, DarkAdder wrote:
You stated that there were a million topics that could be discussed before this one even showed up on radar. So lets hear a few Chi.
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You really need a list? How about every other possible topic you can think of related to Battletech before this one?
This question is so asinine that it literally should be the last thing that needs to be asked.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 14:50 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 06:41, Kraken wrote:
I can't find the manual right now, but I seem to recall seeing that the Grizzly and the Kodiak were both made at the same plant and that the plant in question had been shut down almost 50 years back.
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Burt even if this were true those designs wouldn't be "retired", they'd still exist and still be legal for tourney play.
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Moonlapse Vertigo
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 15:40 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 14:49, chihawk wrote:
You really need a list? How about every other possible topic you can think of related to Battletech before this one?
This question is so asinine that it literally should be the last thing that needs to be asked.
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Come on, tell us how you really feel about this thread... 
[ This Message was edited by: Moonlapse Vertigo on 2004-11-03 15:41 ]
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Seraph
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 15:50 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 05:06, chihawk wrote:
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On 2004-11-02 21:39, DarkAdder wrote:
You said there wer other topics that were more important. So lets hear a few.
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Perhaps we should discuss reading, but because I'm sure I didn't use the word "better".
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Perhaps we should. He didn't use the word "better" Either.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 16:13 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 15:40, Moonlapse Vertigo wrote:
Come on, tell us how you really feel about this thread...
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One thing you can be assured of, if I have an opinion you'll hear about it. 
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Ruger
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 17:42 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 06:42, Kraken wrote:
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On 2004-11-03 04:20, Ruger wrote:
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On 2004-11-02 19:59, Kraken wrote:
My goof on the Assassin; I meant to list the Grasshopper (Lantren Corporation, Bryant; factory destroyed during Succession Wars).
The Javelin was manufactured exclusively by Stormvanger Assembly Lines; SAL got nuked.
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The Grasshopper, per TRO3050 revised has also reentered limited production...
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Where? I don't recall seeing that in mine.
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Don't recall the location...I only recall the fluff (but it should be the same location, I think) stating it had reentered limited production...
Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the revised 3050 (I read this in a store after someone pointed it out to me) and the original 3050 TRO (which I do have) had slightly different fluff...
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Nightmare
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 18:04 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 14:50, chihawk wrote:
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On 2004-11-03 06:41, Kraken wrote:
I can't find the manual right now, but I seem to recall seeing that the Grizzly and the Kodiak were both made at the same plant and that the plant in question had been shut down almost 50 years back.
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Burt even if this were true those designs wouldn't be "retired", they'd still exist and still be legal for tourney play.
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The Grizzly is said to be out of production since 3013. The Kodiak is just said to be "pretty new".
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DarkAdder
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 19:05 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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Yup, we get Chihawks opinion. Even if we could do without it.
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SaberDance
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 20:29 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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I think we're getting two different conversations here.
Some people sound like they're talking about retiring mechs from the game. No more playing with the 3025 stuff.
Stupid idea. 3025 remains my favorite tech base. Playing in 3025 is like playing chess, or stratego, or risk. The deployment and logistical aspects are important, but the guy behind the trigger is the most important element. 3025 was all about playing right.
After 3050, BT became, for all intents and purposes, like Magic: the gathering. It's all about strapping on the right combination of equipment to give your mech that "infinite combo" to ream you're opponents. It became the game of people who sit in the dark all day and read technical manuals to discover exactly what euipment works with what mechs to be completely unbeatable.
If that's your schtick, more power to you, but I like getting out of the house occassionally, and I don't want to have to shell out hundreds of dollars to stay competetive (I mean, I still play with the same rulebook my brother bought 18 years ago!).
Now, if we're talking about retiring mechs in the game, well, for the reasons listed above, you'd almost have to. No matter how good a 3025 Locust was, is can't compete with the Flea or the Hornet with MASC. From a game perspective, there is no reason to keep around the old mechs when all the successor states have managed to reforment their industrial base to crank out newer and better Magic cards...I mean, Mechs.
Ugh. The older and crankier I get, the less the Clan Invasion sounds like it was a good idea.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 20:44 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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On 2004-11-03 19:05, DarkAdder wrote:
Yup, we get Chihawks opinion. Even if we could do without it.
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You don't like it, don't read it.
Plain and simple.
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 21:04 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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I'll take a 3025 Pheonix Hawk against any other mech within 20 tons and kick its ass.
Don't retire my Pheonix hawk.
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DarkAdder
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 21:52 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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The PHX is probably the closest thing to perfect in the 3025 book. Its a yard stick to measure other mediums by. They CANT retire that one, even in the later readouts, its still combat-viable.
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bladewind
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 22:06 Post subject: RE: 3025 Mech's |
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lvl 1n tech is always fun.
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