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Feral
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 Posted: 04-Nov-2004 11:51 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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On 2004-11-04 11:41, mud wrote:
Or it can lead to your destruction; if your opponent knows you're carrying TSM he can pack his SRMs with that gas that makes the stuff burst into flames. People who get a hard on for TSM tend to forget this little problem.
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I suppose in tournament combat this is possible ... but how often do you see mech's packing infernos? Also its an optional rule to have them raise heat and whatnot. Regardless, you are right ... this is something to consider ... but to be fair if your opponent knows you're packing TSM then you should also know he's packing inferno's ... in which case you just choose not to heat up. TSM is flexible like that which makes it very nice. Flexibility yields tactical superiority on a dynamic battlefield.
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Nightmare
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| Posted: 04-Nov-2004 12:28 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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mud is speaking of the first, flawed version of TSM. That compound was prone to burst into flames when exposed to a certain gas. There's a scenario with it in the 4th Succession War Battlepack. IIRC you had to punch through the mech's armor first, but after that it started racking up damage to the internals every round.
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| Posted: 04-Nov-2004 12:50 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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On 2004-11-04 12:28, Nightmare wrote:
mud is speaking of the first, flawed version of TSM. That compound was prone to burst into flames when exposed to a certain gas. There's a scenario with it in the 4th Succession War Battlepack. IIRC you had to punch through the mech's armor first, but after that it started racking up damage to the internals every round.
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Whoa ... that's kind of wild. Now I understand ... lol.
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| Posted: 04-Nov-2004 15:29 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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Okay, question. If you're heat is at 5+ you get a -1 MP modifier. So if you have TSM you just break even not get ahead, right? Your 75 tonner goes 4/6/4, your heat climbs above 5 and your speed drops to 3/5/4. Then your heat climbs to 9 and your speed increases to 4/6/4. Am I wrong? Not real sure of TSM rules.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 04-Nov-2004 15:59 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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I don't remember the rule for when you're between 5 and 9. But at 9 heat, you disregard the -1 MP and add one instead. So a 4/6 would move 5/8, but only at 9. If you go above nine, you lose the +1 and take the -1, so you move 3/5. Unless 10 is -2 MP; can't remember where -2 MP is. As long as you're above nine, you always have double damage physical attacks.
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| Posted: 04-Nov-2004 16:04 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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On 2004-11-04 15:59, StarRaven wrote:
I don't remember the rule for when you're between 5 and 9. But at 9 heat, you disregard the -1 MP and add one instead. So a 4/6 would move 5/8, but only at 9. If you go above nine, you lose the +1 and take the -1, so you move 3/5. Unless 10 is -2 MP; can't remember where -2 MP is. As long as you're above nine, you always have double damage physical attacks.
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The way it works is when active TSM effectively gives you a +2 movement modifier, but only when you are at 9 heat or more. Well 5 is -1, and 10 is -2. So at the sweet spot of 9 heat you have an effective +1 movement modifier. At 10 you are back to even and at 15 you are at -1. As long as you have a mech who can sit at 9 heat you have a totally decent movement bonus. Making a 4/6 into a 5/8 is a pretty big jump. You do, however, suffer the full effects of the targetting penalty which I believe is +1 at 8 and +2 at 12 ... the +1 you can't avoid and comes with the territory but the +2 should be avoided at all costs.
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| Posted: 04-Nov-2004 16:16 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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Never heard of the gas stuff, but I do pack Inferno as a matter of course. Setting the ground on fire and causing a mech to overheat is my favorite way of winning a battle.
People can and do use TSM well, but I stand by the assertion that it was invented in no small part because there are people out there who can't control their heat and thought they should be rewarded for, "running hot" when what they should really be is sent back to basic.
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Oafman
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| Posted: 05-Nov-2004 13:44 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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That sounds all good, except that in the early years of 3025 everything above a light ran hot. So accusing someone who is alway between 4-9 heat needs to back to basic for poor heat management is not a good statement. I would argue instead that double heat sinks were invented for people that cannot manage heat. TSM was invented for people like me that are gluttons for punishment and love carnage. I may not win all the time, but when my Lumberjack with tsm takes off someones torso in one swipe of its axe I am happy. 
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| Posted: 05-Nov-2004 16:33 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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Conceded.
Ditto on the DHS.
Still not a fan of TSM.
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| Posted: 08-Nov-2004 09:38 Post subject: RE: Melee Weapons Worth it or not? |
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Most people do not like TSM. I like to use it and even I will admit that it does get a bit munchy. Then again munchy can be fun somtimes.
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