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Nightmare
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 Posted: 04-Sep-2005 23:28 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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On 2005-09-04 22:12, Raven! wrote:
One could ask: with friendly relations with some home clans, why not simply trade for the necessary rare materials?
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Perhaps these people don't have the stuff? Or they like to use what little they have for their own forces?
And somehow the jumped-up mercenaries called Wolf's Dragoons have all they need to build regiments full of Clan-spec omnimechs... 
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SaberDance
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| Posted: 05-Sep-2005 12:53 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Gosh, wish I'd seen this when it started.
Assuming that the successor states are all pretty much on the same tech base, then any major tech increase ought to be available to any power provided they can put the money, the mindpower, and the manufacturing into making it. So the X-value is which house has the ingenuity to invent a new weapon.
After all, ECM works fine, Davion has no need for better ECM, but after getting whooped a few times by Liao stealth armor that they couldn't hit with their vaunted RACs, the Davion's are going to put some research into it.
Happens in real life, at least a little bit. In WWII, the Germans started with a low-velocity 75mm and 5cm of armor. It sucked. The Polish and the French could knock out the German Mk. I-IV with relative impunity. The 75mm couldn't get through the fortifications the French and Polish set up, and the armor couldn't stop the HV 76mm standard in the French and Polish armies.
After 1939, the Germans tried to create a HV 76mm. They got it built, but they couldn't mount it in their turrets. Then they started building Jagdpanzers (based on Czhec and Polish designs).
In 1941, the Germans invaded Russia. The Jagdpanzers got creamed by static defenses and, lacking a turret, they couldn't get their HV 76mm guns on target before getting blown up. The Russian KV series and the T-34 had better guns and thicker armor and were in general better built. The Russian problem was they didn't have enough and they didn't have them in the right places.
So the Germans figured out how to put a High Velocity 88mm in a turret and the result was the Tiger I.
Mostly, this was done from scratch. Only a couple of times were the Germans able to back-engineer equipment.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2005 02:55 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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I just got my hands on Mercenaries supplemental II and found the table on p. 88 quite interesting.
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On p. 88 of Mercenaries supplemental FANPRO wrote  :
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HGR LA 3061, DC and FWL 3066, FS 3067
Light engine LA 3062, FS 3066, other houses (+ CS and WoB) 3067
TC FS 3062, LA 3065, other houses (+ CS and WoB) 3067
RACs FS 3062, LA 3065, other houses (+ CS and WoB) 3067
stealth CC 3063, CS, WoB and FWL 3067
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I took only those items that have been a bit more controversial (on the board), other items are generally available to IS forces in 3067 (with the exception of periphery states).
I apologize for this necromancy, but I think that it belongs here.
[ This Message was edited by: Sleeping Dragon on 2005-11-09 02:56 ]
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2005 07:14 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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So that means anybody can have anything by 3067 except CC,CS and WoB can´t have HGR
and DC,FS and LA can´t have Stealth armor.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2005 13:22 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Now that's just not right. The Cappies get both TC and RAC by 3067, but we don't get their stealth armor?
I agree that, over time (5 or so years), everyone's tech would be available to everyone. But they ought not to put exceptions into it like that. It doesn't make sense.
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Delta
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2005 15:53 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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On 2005-11-09 07:14, Rudel Gurken wrote:
So that means anybody can have anything by 3067 except CC,CS and WoB can´t have HGR
and DC,FS and LA can´t have Stealth armor.
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I'd rather have Null Signature System and Ferros Fiberous.
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Stinger
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2005 21:05 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Same, Null is better but its LVL 3. That is why it dosent get more use.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2005 21:22 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Targeting Computers for the Inner Sphere were level 3 until the FM Fed-Suns made it level 2....
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 10-Nov-2005 15:27 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Null signature also appeared on new Solaris 7 mech (3055 upgrades, Werewolf I think) with reports that it was made anew. Maybe that it will appear again (pure speculation and probably DA speculation too ). Fluff states that it's highly unreliable.
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Delta
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| Posted: 10-Nov-2005 16:49 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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On 2005-11-10 15:27, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Null signature also appeared on new Solaris 7 mech (3055 upgrades, Werewolf I think) with reports that it was made anew. Maybe that it will appear again (pure speculation and probably DA speculation too ). Fluff states that it's highly unreliable.
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The NSS is Star Leauge tech. Its probally unreliable because no one knows how in the hell to keep it working, not to mention a lack of proper parts.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 10-Nov-2005 22:14 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Who needs proper parts? All you need is some duct tape and a ball pein hammer.
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Stinger
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| Posted: 10-Nov-2005 23:39 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Yup! "if you cant fix it, DUCK IT" Still applies in the year 3165
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 11-Nov-2005 02:38 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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On 2005-11-10 16:49, Delta wrote:
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On 2005-11-10 15:27, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Null signature also appeared on new Solaris 7 mech (3055 upgrades, Werewolf I think) with reports that it was made anew. Maybe that it will appear again (pure speculation and probably DA speculation too ). Fluff states that it's highly unreliable.
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The NSS is Star Leauge tech. Its probally unreliable because no one knows how in the hell to keep it working, not to mention a lack of proper parts.
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Werewolf fluff states that O'Neil Battlemechs of Solaris made copy (not perfect, but new and probably with their own spare parts, NAIS may have some samples too) of this system from some Specter battlemech. Of course that it's only fluff, but it would mean that Null signature may reappear again later. TCs were lvl 3 only for IS, so it may replace stealth armor over time. (just thoughts )
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Rogue Penetrator
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| Posted: 14-Nov-2005 18:53 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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Were the Caps fighting anyone besides St. Ives in that period?
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Seraph
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| Posted: 15-Nov-2005 17:41 Post subject: RE: The Spread of technology |
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FC forces in the Chaos March I think.
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