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Vagabond
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That is the stupidest use and need for a compact gyro I have seen yet!
Add 1.5t to the vehicle just so we can squeeze 2 IJJ in the CT rather them put them in the spacious side torsos. Move 1 of the RT DHS to an arm, walla... just saved 1.5 tons.
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2015 00:26 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Vagabond wrote: | That is the stupidest use and need for a compact gyro I have seen yet!
Add 1.5t to the vehicle just so we can squeeze 2 IJJ in the CT rather them put them in the spacious side torsos. Move 1 of the RT DHS to an arm, walla... just saved 1.5 tons. |
Agreed! The funny thing is, I didn't even think of that. When I input these things I'm more worried about getting the data in and less so about how practical the design is. In hindsight, some of these things are just stupid. According to the readout, this is the reason they went with the Compact:
| Technical Readout: 3085 wrote: | This implementation was only successful after the engineers
replaced the gyro with a compact version, which enabled proper balancing of the jump jet array across the entirety of the Rook’s rear torso. |
Apparently they have a thing about symmetry as well! 
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2015 01:52 Post subject: Rook NH-2 |
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At least you can see now, why am I so annoyed by the new TROs. There are OBVIOUSLY stupid things in designs with alarming frequency 
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2015 02:52 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | At least you can see now, why am I so annoyed by the new TROs. There are OBVIOUSLY stupid things in designs with alarming frequency |
if they had say put a Compact Gyro and Compact Engine with the reason that the smaller components take less damage from enemy fire. Fine.
But just to make room for a IJJ. bah.
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2015 11:08 Post subject: Rook NH-2 |
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So far i've put in a compact gyro only if i had plenty of tonnage but had to place lots of DHS.
A compact engine i didn't use anywhere to date.
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2015 23:36 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Rudel Gurken wrote: | So far i've put in a compact gyro only if i had plenty of tonnage but had to place lots of DHS.
A compact engine i didn't use anywhere to date. |
An armored Compact Engine is great on an underwater mech.
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2015 00:22 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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Does it fare any better tonnage-wise than armoured standard engine? What about in performance? Is it really such a difference to be worth it?
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2015 08:57 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Vagabond wrote: |
An armored Compact Engine is great on an underwater mech. |
I sense the sarcasm is strong with this one!
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2015 11:15 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Mordel wrote: | | Vagabond wrote: |
An armored Compact Engine is great on an underwater mech. |
I sense the sarcasm is strong with this one! |
No, I was serious.
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Each critical slot of an armored component can suffer one critical hit with no effect (a second critical hit to the same slot, however, delivers the same effects as a hit against a standard component). - TacOps pg.283 |
| wrote: | Whenever an underwater unit takes a hit that inflicts damage, the controlling player rolls 2D6. On a result of 10 or greater, the unit’s hull has been breached. The unit has lost integrity in that location, and it fills with water.
If the breached location contains engine slots, the engine functions as if it took as many critical hits as engine critical slots in that location; - TW pg.121 |
I have always felt that armored components should protect you from underwater hull breaches until you suffer a crit on the armored item.
fYI, I could not find an official ruling on this interaction.
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2015 12:48 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Vagabond wrote: | I have always felt that armored components should protect you from underwater hull breaches until you suffer a crit on the armored item.
fYI, I could not find an official ruling on this interaction. |
I was wondering if that's what you were thinking. I would say that it doesn't matter if it's armored or not. A breached location floods and components don't work. At least that's how I would play it lacking any official ruling. Partly because of this wording on the same page:
| wrote: | Treat all of a unit’s components in a breached location as
nonfunctional. |
What you're referring to was probably written to address side torsos with XL (or XXL) engines.
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2015 20:44 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Mordel wrote: | | Vagabond wrote: | I have always felt that armored components should protect you from underwater hull breaches until you suffer a crit on the armored item.
fYI, I could not find an official ruling on this interaction. |
I was wondering if that's what you were thinking. I would say that it doesn't matter if it's armored or not. A breached location floods and components don't work. At least that's how I would play it lacking any official ruling. Partly because of this wording on the same page:
| wrote: | Treat all of a unit’s components in a breached location as
nonfunctional. |
What you're referring to was probably written to address side torsos with XL (or XXL) engines. |
I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU!
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| Posted: 31-Mar-2015 09:14 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Vagabond wrote: | | I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU! |
So you're essentially the same as everyone else in my life? 
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| Posted: 31-Mar-2015 18:25 Post subject: Re: Rook NH-2 |
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| Mordel wrote: | | Vagabond wrote: | | I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU! |
So you're essentially the same as everyone else in my life? |
huh, did you say something?
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