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 Posted: 17-Dec-2007 15:43 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| chihawk wrote: | | Karagin wrote: | | chihawk wrote: | | That's quite a jump going from mechs that generate zero heat to mechs with pulse/TC combo... |
Read it again Chihawk, note the part where I said it has enough heat sinks to fire till the sun goes nova, and a munchy mech is a munchy mech if its' built to exploit a loop hole or abuse things and while it's great to have the perfect mech, I will take one that has flaws over any of the munchy uber mechs any day. I play for fun, not to win at all cost. So read again what I said and then apply it to the overall topic. Thanks. |
You may think you said those things, but in fact you did not. You clearly said:
| wrote: | | ...how would you like to be the one who faces the Targ/Pulse combo with enough heat sinks to fire all it's weapons till the sun goes nova? |
Unless you've made some sort of grammatical error, or intended to make your post multiple paragraphs, you've not said what you apparently intended to say. |
with enough heat sinks to fire all it's weapons till the sun goes nova
read that part again...
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Karagin
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2007 15:46 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Mordel wrote: | | I think it's funny that folks bash a 'Mech because it has no heat problems. While I agree that a TC/Pulse combo mech with no heat problems may be considered munchy, a mech by itself with no heat problems is not necessarily munchy. That's a very broad brush you are painting with. If that's the case, then my favorite design, the upgraded Spider, is munchy since I can jump 8, fire both Medium Pulses and never worry about heat. And with that same flawed though process, I'd venture a guess that ~50% of all officially published designs are munchy. |
Could you kindly list 50% of the canon mech that can fire everything, and since it seems to be the energy weapon based mechs, without building up any heat. Let's start with the level one stuff and go forward...
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chihawk
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2007 15:56 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Karagin wrote: | | chihawk wrote: | | Karagin wrote: | | chihawk wrote: | | That's quite a jump going from mechs that generate zero heat to mechs with pulse/TC combo... |
Read it again Chihawk, note the part where I said it has enough heat sinks to fire till the sun goes nova, and a munchy mech is a munchy mech if its' built to exploit a loop hole or abuse things and while it's great to have the perfect mech, I will take one that has flaws over any of the munchy uber mechs any day. I play for fun, not to win at all cost. So read again what I said and then apply it to the overall topic. Thanks. |
You may think you said those things, but in fact you did not. You clearly said:
| wrote: | | ...how would you like to be the one who faces the Targ/Pulse combo with enough heat sinks to fire all it's weapons till the sun goes nova? |
Unless you've made some sort of grammatical error, or intended to make your post multiple paragraphs, you've not said what you apparently intended to say. |
with enough heat sinks to fire all it's weapons till the sun goes nova
read that part again... |
Yes, which does not change the meaning of your post one iota.
Again, unless you've made some sort of grammatical error, or intended to make your post multiple paragraphs, you've not said what you apparently intended to say
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Karagin
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2007 16:15 Post subject: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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If you say so Chihawk. It's clear that no matter what I say about my opinion of pure energy based mechs that have no weakness and have enough heat sinks to fire till the sun goes nova, you won't listen or even consider it a valid point. So you win. You are right and nothing else matters.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2007 16:26 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Karagin wrote: | | If you say so Chihawk. It's clear that no matter what I say about my opinion of pure energy based mechs that have no weakness and have enough heat sinks to fire till the sun goes nova, you won't listen or even consider it a valid point. So you win. You are right and nothing else matters. |
If anyone needs proof you're wrong it's this...you'd argue 'til you were blue in the face if you thought you were right.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2007 16:35 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| chihawk wrote: | | Karagin wrote: | | If you say so Chihawk. It's clear that no matter what I say about my opinion of pure energy based mechs that have no weakness and have enough heat sinks to fire till the sun goes nova, you won't listen or even consider it a valid point. So you win. You are right and nothing else matters. |
If anyone needs proof you're wrong it's this...you'd argue 'til you were blue in the face if you thought you were right. |
Great you proved your point.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2007 17:20 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Karagin wrote: |
and since it seems to be the energy weapon based mechs |
Why are we limiting this to only energy type mechs? The original post in this thread which lead to my initial statement (which happened to be your post) read "So you like playing with munchkin mechs that build up no heat?"
It did not reference energy type weapons and was a broad statement against ALL mechs that generate no heat.
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| Posted: 19-Dec-2007 13:11 Post subject: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| YEAH!!! Now this is the kind of heated argument I remember from years past... 8)
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| Posted: 20-Dec-2007 09:09 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Oafman wrote: | | YEAH!!! Now this is the kind of heated argument I remember from years past... 8) |
Nothing like a good debate to stoke the fires of the new year. 
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| Posted: 21-Dec-2007 00:24 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Mordel wrote: | | Oafman wrote: | | YEAH!!! Now this is the kind of heated argument I remember from years past... 8) |
Nothing like a good debate to stoke the fires of the new year. |
MORDEL'S SUCKS! THIS IS THE WORST PLACE EVER! YOU ARE ALL BORING AND STUPID!!!
LOL
jusk kidding of course. i was kinda cold so i thought i'd just warm up by the fire. lol.
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| Posted: 21-Dec-2007 09:57 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Vagabond wrote: | | Mordel wrote: | | Oafman wrote: | | YEAH!!! Now this is the kind of heated argument I remember from years past... 8) |
Nothing like a good debate to stoke the fires of the new year. |
MORDEL'S SUCKS! THIS IS THE WORST PLACE EVER! YOU ARE ALL BORING AND STUPID!!!
LOL
jusk kidding of course. i was kinda cold so i thought i'd just warm up by the fire. lol. |
(oafman breaks out the marshmallows)
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| Posted: 21-Dec-2007 12:33 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Oafman wrote: | | Vagabond wrote: | | Mordel wrote: | | Oafman wrote: | | YEAH!!! Now this is the kind of heated argument I remember from years past... 8) |
Nothing like a good debate to stoke the fires of the new year. |
MORDEL'S SUCKS! THIS IS THE WORST PLACE EVER! YOU ARE ALL BORING AND STUPID!!!
LOL
jusk kidding of course. i was kinda cold so i thought i'd just warm up by the fire. lol. |
(oafman breaks out the marshmallows) |
*vagabond's lawyer grins evilly at oafman readying for an infringement of a patented move. vagabond's lawyer looks like that rule's lawyer you last had to deal with at a convention who spent an hour arguing why his 100t much-monster from hell was legal.*
lol
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| Posted: 21-Dec-2007 15:19 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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| Posted: 21-Dec-2007 18:37 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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All I'm saying is that it would be nice if there wasn't such an easy way to unbalance the game.
Do I play with all-energy weapons all the time. No. That would be boring.
I'd like to point out that the original point of this thread wasn't that AC/2's and AC/5's make the game more interesting, or that they're more challenging to use. The point was that they are competitive with energy weapons, in what I took to be a statistics based sense.
I'd also like to point out that I did suggest a way to make the light autocannons more effective, namely, the AC/4 and AC/7 idea.
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| Posted: 22-Dec-2007 01:43 Post subject: Re: The AC5 is a great gun! |
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I've never found any use for the AC/2. I'm sure it's out there. It's just the damage is so minimal and on most terrain, you'll never need the range you get. Now, the AC/5 I have no issue with. While still not a thumper, it at least becomes usable as it currently is.
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