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Karagin
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 Posted: 24-Oct-2007 20:53 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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Here is another take on the old AAA vehicle idea...
| Code: | BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle)
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2-FA, Standard design
Mass: 100 tons
Power Plant: 200 Nissan Fusion
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
4 LB 10-X ACs
1 Beagle Active Probe
1 Medium Laser
1 Small Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle)
Mass: 100 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 50 pts Standard 0 10.00
Engine: 200 Fusion 0 8.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 4.25
Cruise MP: 2
Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 5.00
Crew: 7 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 4.55
Armor Factor: 200 pts Standard 0 12.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 10 40
Left / Right Sides: 10 40/40
Rear: 10 40
Turret: 10 40
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 LB 10-X AC Turret 0 20 2 13.00
1 LB 10-X AC Turret 0 20 1 13.00
1 LB 10-X AC Turret 0 20 1 13.00
1 LB 10-X AC Turret 0 20 1 13.00
1 Beagle Active Probe Turret 0 1 1.50
1 Medium Laser Front 3 1 1.00
1 Small Laser Front 1 1 .50
Anti-Aircraft Targeting Computer Body 1 .20
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TOTALS: 4 9 100.00
Items & Tons Left: 16 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 7,156,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 821
Cost per BV: 8,717.01
Weapon Value: 1,117 / 1,117 (Ratio = 1.36 / 1.36)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 40; MRDmg = 26; LRDmg = 10
BattleForce2: MP: 2T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 8
Damage PB/M/L: 5/5/4, Overheat: 0
Class: GA; Point Value: 8
Specials: prb
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2007 04:32 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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A dangerous vehicle but slow. Not a mobile defense...
An Annihilator on tracks 
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2007 05:37 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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SD's comment got me thinking about the units limited range and so i came up with this:
BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: Concept 8
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Mass: 100 tons
Power Plant: 200 Nissan Fusion
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Arrow IV Systems
1 LB 10-X AC
2 ER Medium Lasers
1 Beagle Active Probe
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Concept 8
Mass: 100 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 50 pts Standard 0 10.00
Engine: 200 Fusion 0 8.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 4.50
Cruise MP: 2
Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 5.00
Crew: 7 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 4.50
Armor Factor: 206 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 11.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 10 42
Left / Right Sides: 10 40/40
Rear: 10 40
Turret: 10 44
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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2 Arrow IV Systems Turret 0 40 3 38.00
1 LB 10-X AC Turret 0 30 2 14.00
2 ER Medium Lasers Turret 10 2 2.00
1 Beagle Active Probe Body 0 1 1.50
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment Body 1 .50
Anti-Aircraft Targeting Body 1 .00
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TOTALS: 10 12 100.00
Items & Tons Left: 13 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 7,123,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 795
Cost per BV: 8,960.59
Weapon Value: 1,078 / 1,078 (Ratio = 1.36 / 1.36)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 41; MRDmg = 33; LRDmg = 26
BattleForce2: MP: 2T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 9
Damage PB/M/L: 4/4/5, Overheat: 0
Class: GA; Point Value: 8
Specials: prb, artA
It is not as flexible as yours but it has a cool mental image. As per BMR (which is used given arty is not covered yet in TW,) arty can be used as Flak. The base is 9 to-hit modified only by attacker's movement and current damage, but remember to add the -2 to all weapons provided by the Anti-Air Targeting as per Maxtech.
i thus get an image of this beast firing A-A Missiles with proximity detonators. Even if you miss you can still hit if it only scatters by 1 hex. 20 damage suddenly filling your sky with a fireball and shrapnel. Can we say, oh shit.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2007 05:40 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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If using the Maxtech rules for AA Targeting you get an impressive -5 to-hit on Airborne targets. As SD said, it is slow but that doesn't hurt it much if it is intended to sit still someplace.
Why the BAP?
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Oafman
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2007 10:17 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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| I like both models. The potential is huge. I imagine a fortress with a parking lot full of these guys. Just think of the scariness of 10 of the LB10x versions. 40 guns pointed to the sky throwing flak. Lots of rolling for crits!! WEEEEEEE
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2007 15:10 Post subject: Re: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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| Vagabond wrote: | If using the Maxtech rules for AA Targeting you get an impressive -5 to-hit on Airborne targets. As SD said, it is slow but that doesn't hurt it much if it is intended to sit still someplace.
Why the BAP? |
The BAP was there as compromise. It moves slow, so I want it to have something could alert it to enemy units near by, mainly to avoid ambushes etc...
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Seraph
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2007 19:17 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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hmmm....fortess full of tanks...
Lob some arty into that enclosed space and see what happens!! 
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2007 17:47 Post subject: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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Four LB10-X will give Fighters hell!!
As a defensive unit speed isn't much missed here. Just defend cities, military installations or industries. 32 kph will be enough to get it out of its hangar in time! 
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2007 18:55 Post subject: Re: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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| Rudel Gurken wrote: | Four LB10-X will give Fighters hell!!
As a defensive unit speed isn't much missed here. Just defend cities, military installations or industries. 32 kph will be enough to get it out of its hangar in time! |
Well, i just looked over the rules and i'm not so sure anymore. Ya it gets the flak special rule and thus a -3 to-hit but with AT2 LBXs cannot cause as many possible crits anymore.
They added Damage Threshold and removed random crits [roll of 2] but according to the rules in AT2r flak like LBX inflicts multiple 1 pt hits. This means that it will never cause a threshold crit on a unit with more then 10 armor and can never get a random crit.
However, the rules are confusing as it says under the general damage section [air-to-air] that missile weapons deal damage by dividing the attack value into groups of 5pt clusters and rolling for hit location. If this applies to LBX as well, you end up with one 5pt cluster and one 1pt cluster. Giving it some ability to crit [threshold of 4 or less or 40 armor or less] but still lessening the overall effect LBXs used to have.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2007 23:08 Post subject: Re: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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| Vagabond wrote: | | Rudel Gurken wrote: | Four LB10-X will give Fighters hell!!
As a defensive unit speed isn't much missed here. Just defend cities, military installations or industries. 32 kph will be enough to get it out of its hangar in time! |
Well, i just looked over the rules and i'm not so sure anymore. Ya it gets the flak special rule and thus a -3 to-hit but with AT2 LBXs cannot cause as many possible crits anymore.
They added Damage Threshold and removed random crits [roll of 2] but according to the rules in AT2r flak like LBX inflicts multiple 1 pt hits. This means that it will never cause a threshold crit on a unit with more then 10 armor and can never get a random crit.
However, the rules are confusing as it says under the general damage section [air-to-air] that missile weapons deal damage by dividing the attack value into groups of 5pt clusters and rolling for hit location. If this applies to LBX as well, you end up with one 5pt cluster and one 1pt cluster. Giving it some ability to crit [threshold of 4 or less or 40 armor or less] but still lessening the overall effect LBXs used to have. |
You could just use the old rules...after all the point is to have fun.
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 27-Oct-2007 02:04 Post subject: Re: Eradicator (AntiAircraft Vehicle) |
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| Vagabond wrote: |
... This means that it will never cause a threshold crit on a unit with more then 10 armor and can never get a random crit. |
As damage threshold is rounded up you will never cause any critical if the target has only 1 point of armor! 
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However, the rules are confusing as it says under the general damage section [air-to-air] that missile weapons deal damage by dividing the attack value into groups of 5pt clusters and rolling for hit location. If this applies to LBX as well, you end up with one 5pt cluster and one 1pt cluster. Giving it some ability to crit [threshold of 4 or less or 40 armor or less] but still lessening the overall effect LBXs used to have. |
We have constructed a series of Fighters and AA-vehicles under the old rules mounting LB-X and SRM. As those units don't have a point any more we decided to use modified rules:
LB-X do their damage in one blow but or determining critical hits the damage is doubled! (LB10-X: 6 damage and crits if it had delivered 12 damage)
The same for SRMs but the real damage is broken up into groups of 4 (as we don't like doing 5 damage with missiles that do 2 damage each!)
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