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Sleeping Dragon
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 Posted: 05-Mar-2007 04:11 Post subject: Jagermech idea... |
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There is an idea of mine here. I wanted to do something with the level 1 Jagermech, but without changing the nature of the design. First of all I replaced the 5 class ACs with AC/2s and I dropped the MLs, which were used only when the 'Mech was about to die anyway. The remaining tonnage was used for experiments.
The a variant does nothing with armor (the same as the armor on JM6-S) and has some heat problems, but it has the powerful PPC, which will make the AC/2 plinking quite annoying and it allows the 'Mech to stay away.
the b has a Large laser and two tons of armor (the same as JM6-A). Less heat problems and better armor are obvious benefits, but the 'Mech will have to get closer...
Both are meant to act as snipers, so which would you prefer?
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| Code: | BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Jagermech JM6-a
Mass: 65 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 104 pts Standard 0 6,50
Engine: 260 Fusion 6 13,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 ,00
Gyro: 4 3,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 ,00
Armor Factor: 96 pts Standard 0 6,00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 21 16
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 15 13/13
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 3/3
L/R Arm: 10 6/6
L/R Leg: 15 11/11
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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2 Autocannon/2s RA 2 90 4 14,00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
2 Autocannon/2s LA 2 2 12,00
1 PPC RT 10 3 7,00
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TOTALS: 14 36 65,00
Crits & Tons Left: 42 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 5 252 226 C-Bills
Battle Value: 716
Cost per BV: 7 335,51
Weapon Value: 536 / 536 (Ratio = ,75 / ,75)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 7; MRDmg = 9; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 2/5
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/2, Overheat: 0
Class: MH; Point Value: 7
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| Code: | BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Jagermech JM6-b
Mass: 65 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 104 pts Standard 0 6,50
Engine: 260 Fusion 6 13,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 ,00
Gyro: 4 3,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 ,00
Armor Factor: 128 pts Standard 0 8,00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 21 20
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 15 17/17
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 3/3
L/R Arm: 10 11/11
L/R Leg: 15 16/16
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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2 Autocannon/2s RA 2 90 4 14,00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
2 Autocannon/2s LA 2 2 12,00
1 Large Laser CT 8 2 5,00
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TOTALS: 12 35 65,00
Crits & Tons Left: 43 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 5 120 226 C-Bills
Battle Value: 771
Cost per BV: 6 641,02
Weapon Value: 635 / 635 (Ratio = ,82 / ,82)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 9; MRDmg = 9; LRDmg = 4
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 3/5
Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/1, Overheat: 0
Class: MH; Point Value: 8
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| Posted: 05-Mar-2007 09:31 Post subject: |
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I'll almost always take armor. Even in a sniper roll, you are bound to get hit. But this 'Mech won't be very effective for a few turns until the rest of your 'Mechs start chipping off armor.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 05-Mar-2007 10:25 Post subject: |
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I think that most pepole will prefer the armor, but I still want to see what do the others think. This 'Mech is obviously a target with some hope for damaging the foe...
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 05-Mar-2007 12:26 Post subject: |
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I like the PPC / AC/2 combination! (Not that I would choose any of that machines anyway  , but if I'm forced to take one of these variants in a game I would go with the -a!)
It has a very specialized role involving some other friendly Mechs between you and the enemy that pose a greater threat!
EDIT: By the way: I (personally 8) ) would place the PPC in one arm and the AC's in the other! Just for a cooler look!
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| Posted: 05-Mar-2007 16:16 Post subject: |
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Hmm... I like the idea of toying with the JagerMech. I have taken it two ways. dropping 2 AC's and adding either PPC's or Large lasers in the same barrel configs. Ergo..over-under weapons configs. Like AC/5's paired with large lasers or AC/2's paired with PPC's. Use the weight savings on heatsinks and armor. Turns into a hot running design but slightly more useful on the mobile battlefields i always end up on.
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| Posted: 05-Mar-2007 17:16 Post subject: Yes, the b variant |
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The b variant is a lesser of two evils.
Somehow, IMHO, not having something to hit a Te'Ki with close up, is non-sense.
Edit: Yes, the AC-2/PPC variant is something to look at, but it leaves a 90metre void the Te'ki can butt-stroke you in. AC/2 Min 4, PPC Min 3.
'nuff said.
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cain
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| Posted: 05-Mar-2007 23:57 Post subject: |
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walk into that void with no damage and walk back out
then talk to me
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2007 02:09 Post subject: |
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| Seraph wrote: | | Hmm... I like the idea of toying with the JagerMech. I have taken it two ways. dropping 2 AC's and adding either PPC's or Large lasers in the same barrel configs. Ergo..over-under weapons configs. Like AC/5's paired with large lasers or AC/2's paired with PPC's. Use the weight savings on heatsinks and armor. Turns into a hot running design but slightly more useful on the mobile battlefields i always end up on. |
Yes, but I wanted to avoid slipping back to Rifleman, from which the Jagermech evolved. That's why I avoided using two big energy weapons. That would be an easy upgrade. The damage output was sacrificed for ranged crit seekers and single big gun is just a small bonus, so the 'Mech can do smething else than just brush away some armor
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2007 02:13 Post subject: Re: Yes, the b variant |
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| Steel-Scorpion wrote: | | a Te'Ki |
A what?
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2007 20:18 Post subject: Re: Yes, the b variant |
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| Warhammer: 3025 wrote: | | Steel-Scorpion wrote: | | a Te'Ki |
A what? |
Te'ki : Japanese for "Enemy" or "Oppenent"
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2007 21:10 Post subject: |
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Oh. Well why didn't you just say that? 
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2007 01:57 Post subject: |
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Hmm... the PPC variant fares surprisingly well...
and Te'Ki ... The Kill? 
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