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 Posted: 21-Nov-2005 10:31 Post subject: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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This is a matchup that happens all the time along the Davion/Kurita frontier. The Jenner holds a small advantage in overall mass, firepower and ground speed, while the Javelin holds the superiority in jumping and has hands for close combat.
Just to make things interesting, lets make the terrain a city. Assume that both models are 3025 stock designs.
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| Posted: 21-Nov-2005 12:59 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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It comes down to the pilots I think...
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 21-Nov-2005 13:00 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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If the Jenner manages to stay at long range than Javelin will run out of missiles and die. Javelin has Advantage in heavier armor, if double-blind rules apply than Jenner will probably die first. Otherwise it may be able to stay out of Javelin's reach.
I prefer Jenner (surprisingly  )
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| Posted: 21-Nov-2005 13:13 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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my personal choice would be the jenner for its sightly faster ground speed and greater choice of weapons ie lasers or srms
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| Posted: 21-Nov-2005 17:49 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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It would be close but with equal pilots I think that the Jenner would win.
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mud
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| Posted: 21-Nov-2005 19:13 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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well, there you have it folks...the Fed. Suns troops are admitting they have no chance against the Dragon's superior mechs 
one disadvantage the Jenner has is its vulnerable arm mounted lasers. Its very easy to shear those arms off. All of the Javelin's firepower is torso mounted.
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| Posted: 21-Nov-2005 21:47 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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On 2005-11-21 12:59, chihawk wrote:
It comes down to the pilots I think...
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I tend to agree. However, the Jenner has the speed advantage; the Javalin has the firepower advantage/critseeking...rather balanced. And the Javalin jumps further...
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 02:16 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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I would prefer the Jenner!
The medium lasers are better suited for a duel than the SRM´s. If the Jenner pays with some heat a 4 medium laser blast would be very dangerous.
The Javelin can pepper the armor but with some luck the Jenner will survive several hits.
Both opponents suffer from heatbuildup cause of the JJ that will be used a lot in the city.
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 02:18 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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On 2005-11-21 13:00, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Javelin has Advantage in heavier armor, ...
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?  ? Both have 4 tons!
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 03:27 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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On 2005-11-21 10:31, mud wrote:
This is a matchup that happens all the time along the Davion/Kurita frontier. The Jenner holds a small advantage in overall mass, firepower and ground speed, while the Javelin holds the superiority in jumping and has hands for close combat.
Just to make things interesting, lets make the terrain a city. Assume that both models are 3025 stock designs.
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Why does everyone assume the Javalin in this duel is the SRM version and not the 4 ML version?
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 03:35 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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Because it was specifically elaborated in the first post that both 'mechs are the stock versions.
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 04:42 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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The Javelin can't throw away missiles for fun since they're his only weapon, but a full barrage hit is quite likely to rip an arm off the Jenner. At the same time he's got to be careful in not offering the Jenner a clear shot to that paper-armored backside. These two mechs live on manueverability so the modifiers to-hit will be high, probably +5 or more every round. One mistake or lucky hit may well be decisive enough to end the match.
I'd put my money on the Jenner more than half the time, but prepare to lose a few anyway.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 10:17 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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Damn I looked at 10F Javelin ...
More points for Jenner
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 12:23 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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The Jenner can dump its ammo and not worry about the loss of its SRMs. The Javelin can't since those are its only weapons. Thus the Javelin must carry ammo. And in 3025, ammo popping is a very common problem, although usually more with larger mechs than smaller since by the time the ammo gets critted on a small mech, the mech is already dead anyway.
And I don't believe the 1 extra jumpjet on the Javelin allows for that much of an advantage. Given as how game rules go, a jump of 6 isn't really much different from a jump of 5. So given that both mechs have the same armor total, I would most certainly have to be in favor of the Jenner winning. It is faster and has no need for ammo if it chooses. However, as most games go, it generally comes down to how smart the pilot is and the luck of the rolls on his dice.
Oh, and as a side note, I don't believe the fact that the Javelin having hands is much of an advantage when most people just kick anyway. Not to mention the fact that since the Jenner doesn't have them, it means it can flip its arms and blast away behind it on the off chance the Javelin gets there. Which is something the Javelin most certainly CAN'T do for the same reasons. 
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| Posted: 22-Nov-2005 16:33 Post subject: RE: Light matchup: 3025 Javelin vs. Jenner |
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I voted for the Javelin. Yes, in sheer damage the Jenner has a higher potential. However the Jenner must regulate his laser fire to prevent him from overheating. The Javelin has a heat problem only if he's jumping frequently. The Javelin's damage potential is very erratic by virtue of it's weapon's disbursment. The Jenner's is more focused. In a city the shots are more than likely to be at short to medium ranges. With armor values low on both mechs the hits that get in are going to be important. But the Javelin's shots are going to hit 1-6 areas per hit while the Jenner's are only going to hit one spot per hit. That gives the Javelin a better chance to get a hit on a weakened area. The Jenner has 5 chances to hit while the Javelin only has 2 chances. However the Jenner cannot fire all it's weapon continuously without heat mods. So for arguement's sake, the Jenner will have 3 chances to hit on average. Also most Jenner pilots I've known haven't even used their SRM's until they are facing a severly weakened medium/heavy mech. So the SRM for the Jenner is mostly a moot point. Jenner's are nice but in this match, Javelin has my vote.
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