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Karagin
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 Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:57 Post subject: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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By this I mean should the LACs, UACs and the LB-X when it is not firing cluster rounds, be allowed to use the new ammo as found in the FM:FS?
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Cadet
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 10:56 Post subject: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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No they shouldn't. As it is the LBX is lighter and has an increased range. Same with the Ultra. These new rounds give the old standard ACs a new lease on life.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 11:08 Post subject: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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I do think they should be allowed for LAC's. As for the others, adding them would be a logical expansion of the technology but it might make them too powerful.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 11:51 Post subject: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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Excellent points from both of you. I think we are off to a good start here to debate this topic.
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Peter_Smith
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| Posted: 12-Apr-2002 17:21 Post subject: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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On 2002-04-11 08:57, Karagin wrote:
By this I mean should the LACs, UACs and the LB-X when it is not firing cluster rounds, be allowed to use the new ammo as found in the FM:FS?
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Mmm...first off, since you asked for all ACs, I assume RACs are also on the list.
But aside from the Light AutoCannons (fluff isn't near me so I can't comment), I have to go with no. LB-X AutoCannons do have their alternate firing mode already, so they have their own use on the battlefield. UACs (and by extension RACs) use a special ammo as it is. Take a look at their prices. One ton of standard AC/5 ammo is 4500 C-bills, one ton of UAC/5 ammo is 9000 C-bills, and one ton of RAC/5 ammo is 12000 C-bills (expensive stuff).
I also agree with Cadet's assessment. The ammo types were developed to give a new lease on life to the standard AutoCannon. Much like the new LRM ammo developed by both the Free Worlds League and the Capellan Confederation.
[ This Message was edited by: Peter_Smith on 2002-04-12 17:21 ]
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Kraken
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| Posted: 12-Apr-2002 17:36 Post subject: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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I say no. As it is, I have a few beefs with how FASA set up some of the L3 ammo which I think need to be addressed first. I'll post them in a bit.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2002 21:08 Post subject: RE: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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Looking forward to seeing your ideas on the Ammo.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2002 07:51 Post subject: RE: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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I agree, the new types of ammo should be for the generic AC's. Let the others be special and let the Normal have special Ammo... Smae with Missles.....
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Kraken
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2002 11:17 Post subject: RE: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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My two main beefs with the special munitions types for autocannons are as follows:
1. The description of the Incindiary ammo. The fact that it describes the ammo as igniting upon leaving the barrel is ludicrous. One good weapons jam/misfire and the entire vehicle, crew and all, is dead. Besides, seeing a ball of fire means that (especially at night) the vehicle becomes rapidly detectable. Incindiary ammo is designed so that it bursts on contact to spread the incindiary substance(s).
2. Tracer ammo. If it can be done so that even a personal firearm round doesn't lose out on punch for being a tracer, why then should the AC ammo do less damage? I know it's a balance issue, but it just gets to me.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2002 16:00 Post subject: RE: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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Tracer shouldn't affect the effect....
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2002 18:45 Post subject: RE: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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Definately not! As for reasons, see the above posts, they explain it quite superbly.
They give these newbie Mech Monkeys something to fear when facing a 3025 Rifleman, or Jagermech.
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Shadowking
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| Posted: 06-Aug-2002 08:43 Post subject: RE: Should the New Ammo types for the ACs be allowed for all ACs? |
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AC's are suppose to work like needlers i believe. Sort of anyways. In that the cannon's basicly fire shards of whatever it is the shots are made out of. Thus all the descriptions of walking the ac fire across something or other. Where as the LBX cluster just fires it all at once.
And to get to my point, the way the tracers are suppose to work is that like every other 2 or so of those shards are replaced with tracer rounds in the ammo bin. And thus those tracers do no actual damage, thereby lowering the overall damage of the weapon itself.
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