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Ok, nowhere did it say the ship is stationary to fire this. Power is diverted only during firing, the ship would still be in motion from inertia. Now for instance say they were going 30 knots when they push the button, power gets diverted, ship loses 5-10 knots before power is back to propulsion, then voila, back up to speed in moments,
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 14:14 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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I would assume that these are all issues that the designers are thinking about. Although there have been examples of poor engineering in the past. Those little things that make you yell DUH!!! when it is introduced.
Here is another thing to think about. Going back to the old thread about recoil on a Gauss. (I have already formed my own ideas so this is just to make you think) How would the agreed upon heavy recoil affect the position of a ship in the water. Wouldn't the ship need to be roughly pointed in the direction of the target before firing? Currently battleships have the guns on turrets, but with a larger gun on a ship the size of a destroyer, would the recoil have adverse affects on the attitude of the ship in the water?
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 14:43 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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On 2004-05-17 14:14, Oafman wrote:
I would assume that these are all issues that the designers are thinking about. Although there have been examples of poor engineering in the past. Those little things that make you yell DUH!!! when it is introduced.
Here is another thing to think about. Going back to the old thread about recoil on a Gauss. (I have already formed my own ideas so this is just to make you think) How would the agreed upon heavy recoil affect the position of a ship in the water. Wouldn't the ship need to be roughly pointed in the direction of the target before firing? Currently battleships have the guns on turrets, but with a larger gun on a ship the size of a destroyer, would the recoil have adverse affects on the attitude of the ship in the water?
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Well considering existing artillery shells will make a battleship come to a stop if fired enough I'm sure this will also affect the movement of the ship. I mean it is floating in water and water doesn't have the most friction in the world ...
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 17:32 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Well, recoil baffles are a reality, but I don't know how they could be used on a Gauss rifle. Now as for the recoil messing with the ships list, it probably will. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, or even that dangerous with proper engineering. And just to make a point on this, there were recorded cases during WWII of US & British Destroyers, Canadian & British Corvettes, and other small escort craft rolling into as much as 160 degrees of list (almost completely upside down) in bad atlantic storms while escorting convoys. Yet these ships rolled back upright fairly quickly. Now of course doing this regularly and on purpose by firing a weapon would seem, well dumb and suicidal 
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 18:52 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Well, according to our physics gurus here the, if the ship fired to port or starboard then the ship would either roll over a few times or the turret would shear off and fly the other way at like speeds. 
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 20:03 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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On 2004-05-17 18:52, Seraph wrote:
Well, according to our physics gurus here the, if the ship fired to port or starboard then the ship would either roll over a few times or the turret would shear off and fly the other way at like speeds.
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There is much more than a slight weight difference between a ship and a mech ... like 2-3 orders of magnitude. Even still as I stated previously when firing conventional 18" shells WW2 battleships often times would be pushed around by their guns ... so firing something at gauss rifle speeds (mostly the acceleration not the mass) will definitely also push the thing around
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 20:40 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Obviously if they are already testing them then they have found some way around this little problem of mach 6 recoil effects 
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| Posted: 17-May-2004 21:55 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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maybe an array of pumpjets (jetski propulsors only bigger) on a submereged turret to counteract ome of the recoil could be used. Firing forward, Thrust aft to counteract the inertia and all like that.
Hows that for scientific?
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 03:11 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Maybe if they turned into the direction they were firing..
but surely, the mass of the ship would have to be enormous compared to the projectile? wouldn't the recoil have to be very small in comparison to the projectile speed?
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 09:43 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Think of the recoil in a 30-06 rifle. The actual bullet is fairly small, but if you hold the gun wrong even the biggest person can get hurt by the recoil. From what I understand after the previous thread, gauss recoil is cumulative so it affects the ship with the same total force but not all at the same time. It also helps that modern warships are designed to almost tip completely over without sinking. The main downside to this other than the hazards to a crew that gets knocked over everytime the ship fires is that you would have to wait for the ship to right itself before firing again.
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 10:05 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Good day lads,
After reading all these threads, I am surprised no one has mentioned Aaron Bull, the rogue Canadian artillery guru. Much of our railgun (gauss) knowledge can be credited to his research and works. During his career, he build two "superguns", one in Alberta and another in Iraq. Although these guns were to fire actual shells, the original lintent was to fire solid slug-like objects. While in South Africa, Mr. Bull designed and developed computer models that successfully completed a series of tests. Unfortunately, the lure of an Iraqi offer took him away and the South African develoment ceased.
It is good to see that his work has found a new proponent.
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 13:09 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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*sniff*sniff*
That is my favorite realtime strategy game. And I love big berthas I always liked making 8 to 10 of them and then just saturating my enemy with them.
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 13:32 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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On 2004-05-18 09:43, Oafman wrote:
Think of the recoil in a 30-06 rifle. The actual bullet is fairly small, but if you hold the gun wrong even the biggest person can get hurt by the recoil. From what I understand after the previous thread, gauss recoil is cumulative so it affects the ship with the same total force but not all at the same time. It also helps that modern warships are designed to almost tip completely over without sinking. The main downside to this other than the hazards to a crew that gets knocked over everytime the ship fires is that you would have to wait for the ship to right itself before firing again.
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Considering the powerdrain while firing the gauss, I think you would have to wait for a while anyway. I think also that they would only fire the gauss, fore or aft of the ship as that would just push the ship, rather than roll it. Though it would be very funny to see a battleship do a cartwheel.
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 14:15 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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The most logical thing would be to have the standard US Navy Nuclear power plant and draw a portion of that power into a capacitor until the gun is ready to fire. That would allow the first several shots at least to be done while moving. If a sustained barrage is needed then the engines and most of the non-essetial electronics can be turned off to divert most of the ships power to the gun. It would also help if a carrier size nuclear plant was put in a ship the size of a destroyer. That should give sustainable power. I guess I figure that if Univeral can have a ride based on rail gun technology (Super, the Escape) then we should be able to have rail guns on naval ships.
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| Posted: 18-May-2004 16:55 Post subject: RE: More on real world Gauss rifles |
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Well they are looking to use this as a cheap cruise missile ... so I'd wager they don't need to fire too many in succession.
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