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Kraken
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 Posted: 02-May-2004 06:46 Post subject: Grell VTOL |
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: Grell
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: V.T.O.L.
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 30 tons
Power Plant: 100 Hermes Fusion
Cruise Speed: 86.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 129.6 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Angel ECM Suite
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Machine Guns
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
Gentlemen, I present you with this new model VTOL, which Our Blessed Order
is considering using for a mobile command platform. At the core of this
machine is an advanced mobile HQ set-up protected by an Angel ECM suite. As a
defensive measure, each wing has as weapons pods an ER Medium Laser and a
machine gun with 100 rounds.
There are many benefits to having this be airborne. First and foremost, it
allows the commanders to roam the battlefield with a level of ease previously
reserved only to those inside special mech cockpits. The commander can fly to
individual units and oversee them while still having ready access to all
necessary systems in the event of an emergency. Not only that, but as a VTOL
it is both more likely to be ignored (after all, who would think such a
tactically important unit is housed inside a "mere" VTOL?) and can more easily
evacuate strategic command personell.
==Variants:==
A more brazen version drops all weaponry and the Angel ECM in favor of a
C3-I system; a slight variant of this retains a medium laser and instead has a
normal C3.
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Type/Model: Grell
Mass: 30 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: 100 Fusion 0 3.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 8
Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Rotor Equipment: Main/Tail Rotors 0 3.00
Armor Factor: 80 pts Standard 0 5.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 28
Left / Right Sides: 3 19/19
Rear: 3 12
Rotor: 3 2
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Angel ECM Suite Front 0 1 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers Front 10 2 2.00
1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 1 1.00
1 Advanced Mobile HQ Rear 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 10 7 30.00
Items & Tons Left: 4 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 2,812,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 597
Cost per BV: 4,710.22
Weapon Value: 195 / 195 (Ratio = .33 / .33)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 10; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 8V, Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: VA; Point Value: 6
Specials: ecm, hq
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 13:28 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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nice.
this things screwed if the enemy ever narrows down the C3 communication scource and has aerofighter superiority.
i do enjoy it thou. will comstar be selling any soon.
btw, thanks for posting an expanded universe design. it is boring sometimes to see only combat designs. one of the reasons i like hunter30's firemech idea.
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Seraph
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 14:07 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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I like the idea of a command VTOL unit. However I also love taking potshots at Vtols with small long range weapons like AC/2's and LRM 5's. Not much punch but you only have to take out the rotors. 
See if you cannot squeeze some more speed out of it. Would make it harder to hit and it could then outpace the faster light mechs instead of just keeping up with them over flat terrain.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 14:40 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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could you get 10/15 out of it kraken?
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Kraken
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 18:10 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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That's a tonnage issue; we're either talking light engine or dropping the weapons. I can try something real quick. tho; just gotta give me a few minutes.
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Kraken
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 18:15 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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In order to keep the same amount of armor and firepower potential, I had to go to an XL engine; this added another 2.1 million C-Bills to the cost, and I'm not 100% sure that it's a worthwhile trade-off.
BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: Grell XL Version
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: V.T.O.L.
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 30 tons
Power Plant: 160 LTV XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 108.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 162.0 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Machine Guns
1 Angel ECM Suite
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Grell XL Version
Mass: 30 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: 160 XL Fusion 2 3.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 10
Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Rotor Equipment: Main/Tail Rotors 0 3.00
Armor Factor: 80 pts Standard 0 5.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 28
Left / Right Sides: 3 19/19
Rear: 3 12
Rotor: 3 2
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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2 ER Medium Lasers Front 10 2 2.00
2 Machine Guns Front 0 200 3 2.00
1 Angel ECM Suite Front 0 1 2.00
1 Advanced Mobile HQ Rear 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 10 9 30.00
Items & Tons Left: 2 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 4,972,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 720
Cost per BV: 6,905.56
Weapon Value: 195 / 195 (Ratio = .27 / .27)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 10; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 10V, Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: VA; Point Value: 7
Specials: ecm, hq
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 02-May-2004 22:28 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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can you decrease the tonnage? i find 25t helo designs among the most efficent.
maybe drop the mgs? i mean if infantries that close ur screwed anyway lol.
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Kraken
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 07:14 Post subject: RE: Grell VTOL |
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I don't know. I don't have class today so I can kinda tinker around a little.
However, a tonnage drop would most likely mean a totally new machine as far as the fluff goes.
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Kraken
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 07:29 Post subject: Llerg VTOL |
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: LLerg
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: V.T.O.L.
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 25 tons
Power Plant: 110 Light Fusion
Cruise Speed: 108.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 162.0 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Angel ECM Suite
2 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
The LLerg represents the WOB's attempt at creating a command helicopter.
Although lighter and faster than the Grell, the LLerg has two tons' less armor
and does not have the machine guns. It also has a light engine, making it more
vulnerable to damage. And at 300,000 more than the Grell the odds are that not
as many Llergs will see the battlefield.
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Type/Model: LLerg
Mass: 25 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 110 Light Fusion 1 3.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 10
Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Rotor Equipment: Main/Tail Rotors 0 2.50
Armor Factor: 48 pts Standard 0 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 17
Left / Right Sides: 3 11/11
Rear: 3 7
Rotor: 3 2
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Angel ECM Suite Front 0 1 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers Front 10 2 2.00
1 Advanced Mobile HQ Rear 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 10 5 25.00
Items & Tons Left: 5 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 3,116,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 651
Cost per BV: 4,787.51
Weapon Value: 118 / 118 (Ratio = .18 / .18)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 8; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 10V, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: VA; Point Value: 7
Specials: ecm, hq
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Seraph
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 03-May-2004 18:12 Post subject: RE: Llerg VTOL |
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Don't know about you guys, but I find it funny that the "wobblies" have VTOLS. A wobbling whirly bird?
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