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These tiny mechs are probably the closest thing to protomechs out side the Clans.
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: HD-8 A
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Quad BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 10 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 40 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
2 Small Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
This tiny quad is ment to be able to opperate inside industreal buildings to
provide heavy plant security
==Capabilities:==
This tiny mech would be hard pressed to fight on a conventional battle field
it would be a considerable problem for the types of forces that would be found
inside an industrial building The twin SPLs would be able to inflict fair
damage to infantry or battle armour and thier acccuracy would help to cut down
misses the mech carries maximum armour for its size
==Deployment==
These mechs are used for plant security and some police work
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Type/Model: HD-8 A
Mass: 10 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 21 pts Endo Steel 14 .50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 5 LT, 5 RT, 1 CT, 1 RRL)
Engine: 40 XL Fusion 12 .50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 9 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 HD, 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT, 2 LRL, 1 RRL)
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Leg Act: Hip + UpLeg + LowLeg + Foot 16 .00
Armor Factor: 45 pts Standard 0 2.81
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 4 6
Center Torso (Rear): 2
L/R Side Torso: 3 4/4
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 2/2
L/R Front Leg: 2 4/4
L/R Rear Leg: 2 4/4
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Small Pulse Laser RT 2 1 1.00
1 Small Pulse Laser LT 2 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 4 62 9.81
Crits & Tons Left: 4 .19
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 862,804 C-Bills
Battle Value: 166
Cost per BV: 5,197.61
Weapon Value: 20 / 20 (Ratio = .12 / .12)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 2; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 1/1
Damage PB/M/L: 1/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 2
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 02:56 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: HD-8 B
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Quad BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 10 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 40 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
2 Machine Guns
1 Small Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
A variation of the HD-8A swapping two machine guns and half a ton of ammo for
one of the SPLs and some armour
==Capabilities:==
The head mounted SPL has a very wide field of fire and the two MGs one in each
side torso give passable short range firepower though the reduced armour
leaves the torsos slightly weaker
==Variants:==
A developement of the HD-8A
==Deployment==
this mech is used mostly for plant security with some in police units
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Type/Model: HD-8 B
Mass: 10 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 21 pts Endo Steel 14 .50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 5 LT, 5 RT, 1 CT, 1 RRL)
Engine: 40 XL Fusion 12 .50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 9 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LRL, 1 RRL)
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Leg Act: Hip + UpLeg + LowLeg + Foot 16 .00
Armor Factor: 40 pts Standard 0 2.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 4 4
Center Torso (Rear): 1
L/R Side Torso: 3 4/4
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 1/1
L/R Front Leg: 2 4/4
L/R Rear Leg: 2 4/4
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Machine Gun RT 0 100 2 1.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 CT)
1 Machine Gun LT 0 1 .50
1 Small Pulse Laser HD 2 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 2 64 10.00
Crits & Tons Left: 2 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 853,344 C-Bills
Battle Value: 140
Cost per BV: 6,095.31
Weapon Value: 15 / 15 (Ratio = .11 / .11)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 3; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 1/1
Damage PB/M/L: 1/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 1
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 02:57 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: HD-8 C
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Quad BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 10 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 40 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
3 Machine Guns
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
A variation of the HD-8A Armed with three machineguns as a anti-infantry mech
==Capabilities:==
The trio of MGs one in the head and one in each side torso give a fair
anti-personel capability
==Variants:==
A developement of the HD-8A
==Deployment==
this mech is used mostly for plant security with some in police units
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Type/Model: HD-8 C
Mass: 10 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 21 pts Endo Steel 14 .50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 5 LT, 5 RT, 1 CT, 1 RRL)
Engine: 40 XL Fusion 12 .50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 9 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LRL, 1 RRL)
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Leg Act: Hip + UpLeg + LowLeg + Foot 16 .00
Armor Factor: 45 pts Standard 0 2.81
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 4 6
Center Torso (Rear): 2
L/R Side Torso: 3 4/4
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 2/2
L/R Front Leg: 2 4/4
L/R Rear Leg: 2 4/4
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Machine Gun RT 0 100 2 1.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 CT)
1 Machine Gun LT 0 1 .50
1 Machine Gun HD 0 1 .50
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TOTALS: 0 64 9.81
Crits & Tons Left: 2 .19
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 844,654 C-Bills
Battle Value: 144
Cost per BV: 5,865.65
Weapon Value: 10 / 10 (Ratio = .07 / .07)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 2; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 1/1
Damage PB/M/L: 1/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 1
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 02:59 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: HD-8 D
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Quad BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 10 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 40 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
2 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
This tiny quad is ment to be able to opperate inside industreal buildings to
provide heavy plant security
==Capabilities:==
This tiny mech would be hard pressed to fight on a conventional battle field
it would be a considerable problem for the types of forces that would be found
inside an industrial building This model actualy can pose a threat to vehicles
or even small mechs with its twin ER medium lasers caught in the open its thin
armour would not stand up very long however its small size would enable it to
fire from inside a building enhancing its survivability
==Deployment==
This mech is used mostly by private plant security forces with some in police
and malitia units
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Type/Model: HD-8 D
Mass: 10 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 21 pts Endo Steel 14 .50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 5 LT, 5 RT, 1 CT, 1 RRL)
Engine: 40 XL Fusion 12 .50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 9 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LFL, 1 RFL, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LRL, 1 RRL)
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Leg Act: Hip + UpLeg + LowLeg + Foot 16 .00
Armor Factor: 45 pts Standard 0 2.81
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 4 6
Center Torso (Rear): 2
L/R Side Torso: 3 4/4
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 2/2
L/R Front Leg: 2 4/4
L/R Rear Leg: 2 4/4
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser HD 5 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 10 62 9.81
Crits & Tons Left: 4 .19
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,003,604 C-Bills
Battle Value: 254
Cost per BV: 3,951.2
Weapon Value: 122 / 122 (Ratio = .48 / .48)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 9; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 1/1
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 3
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 18:50 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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slow it down, remove xl, and you got a factory patroler.
i still say that a less manuverable, less advanced protomech could easily be constructed by the Inner Spere.
i tinkered with that. called them guages.
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 21:01 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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SLOW IT DOWN ????? It is a damn slug as it is ! In the next few days I will be posting a lot more designs you will soon find out why I am know as a speed phreek!
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 21:51 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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a machine that slogs thru industrial complexes dosen't need to be 4/6. and at its size, it'll only fight infantry, small vehicles, and theives. you don't need 4/6, 2/3 is fast enough for the pourposes stated.
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| Posted: 02-Sep-2003 23:40 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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On 2003-09-02 21:51, Vagabond wrote:
a machine that slogs thru industrial complexes dosen't need to be 4/6. and at its size, it'll only fight infantry, small vehicles, and theives. you don't need 4/6, 2/3 is fast enough for the pourposes stated.
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Because of the possability of having to cross open spaces like a parking lot or street I like to have a little speed also it would be usefull to be able to get from one point to another quickly to be able to react to an attack if you are at one end of the complexand the other end gets hit you do not want to take all day to get there. 
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| Posted: 03-Sep-2003 13:08 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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thats near 9m a second. i judge that as fast enough to respond to an incurrsion. even then, 3/5 is far better then 4/6. something this small, waists money and time using an xl. that material that could be going elseware.
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| Posted: 03-Sep-2003 15:37 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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Like Chihawk's Fave, "The Little Trashcan that could", Urbie.... 
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| Posted: 04-Sep-2003 00:24 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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When you get this small the cost differances for high tech engines actualy are not that much higher when I first posted these I had people tell me that for that purpose I could go with a Larger ICE powered mech a few months later somebody else posted a thirty ton design with an ice engine it was slower had thinner armour a lighter weapon load and COST MORE!!! you better believe I made noise over that when I saw it
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| Posted: 04-Sep-2003 01:29 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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i'm not worried about cost per unit. i'm talking cost efficency. this includes the logistics, production, fielding, maintence, and repairs.
first in order to make these xl engines you need a production facility, then ship in materials [that special xl material with mondo increased cost], shape materials, test design, and facalty pay.
second you'll need surpluses parts, with a hirer maintence program to maintain the engine, and replacement material for the replacement parts.
then on top of all that, you loose your prescious core anytime you get shot by a ppc equivalent or better weapon. where as a standard has a far better chance of surviving a battle intact. still not great, but you reduced it from 3/8 to 1/8.
4/6 on such a lite machine still means death. +2 to-hit at max for movement. i don't know to many heavies and assults that DON'T get hit atleast once. Once is all this mech needs.
but then, thats my out look. XL's IMHO while more prolific in 3068 are still treasures. i see an enter monopoly forming around the metals needed to build the core. So its far more cost effective to purchase and build older engines, and probibly more profitable.
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| Posted: 09-Sep-2003 01:22 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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Vagabod:one thing that you need to remember about my 10 ton designs they are not intended to fight other mechs and any one who goes up against a battlemech in one of these is either suicidal or very desparate while they could damage a mech with their weapons they are too small to carry enough armour for battefield service. they are intented for plant security and their intended opponants are basicaly street thugs.
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| Posted: 09-Sep-2003 17:04 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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which pushes my point even further.
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| Posted: 09-Sep-2003 19:43 Post subject: RE: Harley-Davison HD-8 family |
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One thing to keep in mind with these specialized units is the specialized envionments they will be used in Factory complexes have lots of cubby holes and such that could provide cover for such a small compact machine.Say a pirate force some how manages to get by the naval and air/aerospace forces to land near the plant their larger mechs and tanks would be out in the open the little HD-8s on the other hand would by fireing from INSIDE buildings under bridges and catwalks and other such cover so you would have to blast away the cover to get to the mech assuming that the little mech does not pull back deeper into the complex fighting a dealaying and harrasment action until re-enforcments arrive denying the attacker of the quiet zone needed to load booty. The idea in that type of sittuation is not to destroy the attacker out right but to interfer and delay which I believe these machines could do quite successfuly af course against softskin vehicles they would be quite a threat as well as against unarmoured personel and the armour is adaquet against typical man carried weapons.
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