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Clan Ghost Bear
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 Posted: 07-Mar-2002 19:52 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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Designed as a upper end trooper mech along the lines of the Watchman. Nothing fancy here, just cheap and tough.
Yes, I know it's got a standard PPC on it. It's supposed to be cheap. Using a standard PPC also reduces the heat burden.
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Pit Bull PTB-3L
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 275 Core Tek Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 PPC
6 Medium Lasers
1 Flamer
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Pit Bull PTB-3L
Mass: 55 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 91 pts Standard 0 5.50
Engine: 275 6 15.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 184 pts Standard 0 11.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 18 26
Center Torso (Rear): 9
L/R Side Torso: 13 20/20
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 6/6
L/R Arm: 9 18/18
L/R Leg: 13 26/26
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 PPC RA 10 3 7.00
3 Medium Lasers LA 9 3 3.00
1 Medium Laser RT 3 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser CT 3 1 1.00
1 Flamer HD(R) 3 1 1.00
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
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TOTALS: 31 46 55.00
Crits & Tons Left: 32 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 5,210,531 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,381
Cost per BV: 3,773.01
Weapon Value: 1,155 / 1,155 (Ratio = .84 / .84)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 22; MRDmg = 8; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 5/5
Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/1, Overheat: 2
Class: MM; Point Value: 14
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2002 20:02 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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why is the flamer facing rear? And wouldn't this design be cooler as a Quad?
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Clan Ghost Bear
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2002 20:04 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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This mech isn't about being cool. It's about kicking the snot out of the other's guy's mechs, blasting infantry and vehicles to kingdom come and trampling toads under the footpads of your 'mech!
The flamer points to the rear to deal with pesky infantry and to set covering fires as you retreat.
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2002 22:20 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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I saw the title and I thought you had put those pictures up (Mordel wipes the sweat from his brow). How much would you like for those pictures, by the way?
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Clan Ghost Bear
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| Posted: 08-Mar-2002 07:07 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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I don't consider them merely photographs as much as valuable (and I do mean valuable) works of art. Maplethorpe style.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 08-Mar-2002 07:51 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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On 2002-03-08 07:07, Hardware wrote:
I don't consider them merely photographs as much as valuable (and I do mean valuable) works of art. Maplethorpe style.
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Read: Blackmail or persuasional assets....
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 08-Mar-2002 16:57 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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Trampling underfoot is cool, so therefor 4 legs would be twice as cool as two. And if you made it Canine"esque" as the Barghest you could put the flamer in the CT (R) and it would appear as if your dog had just eaten many enchiladas!
Seriously though it's a cool design.
But how do you sell it to perspective buyers with the "set covering fires as you retreat" Pitch? I mean, if it's a good design should one worry or prepare for retreat?
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| Posted: 08-Mar-2002 17:03 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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Change the flamer to an ERSL and point it forward...
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| Posted: 08-Mar-2002 19:01 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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Looks to me like you've just created a nasty infighter that can also do damage at range. However, I'd suggest trading out a med or two for cooler-running MGs or SRMs.
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Clan Ghost Bear
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| Posted: 08-Mar-2002 20:17 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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I considered a pair of MG's and a ton of ammo for two medium lasers, but the resultant loss of short range firepower doesn't justify the additional anti infantry capabilities.
I also considered a PPC and a large laser combo. Again, the loss of short range punch argued stronger against.
As for the 4 legged mech, the loss of torso twist should explain all. Short ranged mechs without the ability to bring their main battery to bear don't last all that long.
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| Posted: 09-Mar-2002 09:58 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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Well, the Scorpion has been around for a long time. Seems to be pretty well designed. 
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| Posted: 09-Mar-2002 15:09 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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How many times did Tom Fisher get his tail kicked up between his shoulderblades running the scorpion? Besides, that was before the revised quad rules removed the torso twist for quads. Now it would be even worse.
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| Posted: 12-Mar-2002 20:38 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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He got his tail kicked that many times cause all he had was Scorpion minis.crikey, he had like 10 of them back in '88!
The non-torso twist has been balanced by the better move options, better pilot rolls, better prone rules, and better heat dissipation.
I got hammered in the PBeM game with the Barghest partly because of the non TT, but that was a simultanious/blind movement tourney. I don't think in a regular game it would be as pronounced of a detriment.
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| Posted: 12-Mar-2002 20:55 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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Against a significantly faster mech it is, especially if that quicker mech jumps.
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CampingCarl
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| Posted: 12-Mar-2002 20:56 Post subject: Pit Bull |
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"And wouldn't this design be cooler as a Quad?"
Everything is cooler as a quad.
I would change the flamer to a laser unless you plan on getting near mechs that like to heat up.
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