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mekkatgirls
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 Posted: 14-Mar-2025 14:22 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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Yes I now about the armor points per ton difference but why in the internal structure should equal a value, how about no multiplier add all for standard structure and armor value is very simple, a gyro should not be increase in point value because of your tonnage just a simple value, what is so hard about this, have looked at the bv value for these item or weapons or systems i think it should less, such as a small laser having a value of 3+3-1=
damage+range-heat=5 instead of small laser BV = 9
that it No inflation out side table top effects and nothing else.
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| Posted: 14-Mar-2025 14:25 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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My head hurts from all of this.
There are a ton of things wrong with the BV system, but not one of them involves armor or internal structure.
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mekkatgirls
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| Posted: 14-Mar-2025 14:31 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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Also I am always trying to stir the Pot.
But BV 1 and 2 do need some refinement.
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| Posted: 14-Mar-2025 15:20 Post subject: Re: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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| mekkatgirls wrote: | ...have looked at the bv value for these item or weapons or systems i think it should less, such as a small laser having a value of 3+3-1=
damage+range-heat=5 instead of small laser BV = 9 |
You're dumbing it down entirely too much which would make your version of BV far worse than what we have now. There are far more factors that go into item BV. A gauss should have a dramatically higher BV than a Large Laser or LRM-20. But your math would make them very similar, and every one of us knows which one we would take all day every day. 
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| Posted: 15-Mar-2025 17:28 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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If you want a simpler system you could roll back time and use BV1, CV or even CEF.
No matter what system is used there will be flaws that players can take advantage of. And honestly I want there to be some kind of loopholes that I/we can use. If I know you are a Jade Falcon warrior who is stuck on piloting her Summoner with built in jump jets, well I can be smart in my choice of terrain and make those JJs a waste of tonnage and overspent BV. Likewise ECM is pretty lackluster in basic rules until you run into someone running C3 then it is going to be the hero of your force.
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mekkatgirls
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| Posted: 15-Mar-2025 23:55 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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Well do you no if their is a BV 1 calculator is active.
I do not know what CV is. (combat value) battle troops?
I would like to now about CV, where would I go.
CEF (combat efficiency factor) if not please I would like to know as well, where would I go?
I am not above a alternative, I just think BV 2 is too costly on many other things as well.
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| Posted: 16-Mar-2025 01:50 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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The original unpatched heavy metal programs used BV1.
CV is in the tactical handbook. Its basicly a spruced up version of balance by tonnage IIRC.
CEF I havent heard of.
Think I finally figured out part of what you're complaining about. Some parts of the BV system are tonnage dependent. Specifically Gyros. Which is odd because the mechs tonnage doesnt affect how useful a gryo is. Frankly gryros should not be part of the BV system at all. Most everything else does have a rational for why it exists. Some of the values are arbitrary and tuned based on play testing. Thats actually a big part of the change from BV1 to BV2. Armor was undervalued so it got it's points increased. Think how overheat and the offensive multiplier work were the other bigger changes. Its been awhile since I worried about it.
PV is reasonably balanced most if the time if you want to balance a game using smaller numbers.
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| Posted: 16-Mar-2025 11:25 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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VC and BV1 are also not recent, so won't be able to factor any of the stuff that's come out in the last 20+ years, if not longer.
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| Posted: 16-Mar-2025 15:56 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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| Well thanks; maybe if my writing and typing was better it would not take so long. I do not have many battletech printed resources, could you point me to the website?
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| Posted: 16-Mar-2025 15:58 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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My cobwebs that infest my brain can seem the remember either.
I should have kept all of my Battle-technology magazines, sigh.
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| Posted: 17-Mar-2025 17:36 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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Don't waste one second on anything BV1...seriously. The time it takes to read this post is already too long thinking about it.
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| Posted: 18-Mar-2025 14:09 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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| thank you
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mekkatgirls
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| Posted: 18-Mar-2025 14:15 Post subject: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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| I think they tried to bring a point system for campaign and to bring macroeconomic, but I'm probably wrong.
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| Posted: 18-Mar-2025 14:21 Post subject: Re: BV 1&2 are over valued |
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| Ammo based weapons and ballistic weapons due to their weight and damage ratio would be a harder to assign a value to, but not impossible, simplifying thing is not always dumbing thing down in a game (CBT) that is so crunchy to start, I do understand resisting a change to what works, it is a valid point.
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