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PostPosted: 14-Sep-2024 04:44    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Greetings.

I am enjoying for last two years that great place and i like to work with worksheets.

Lately i am extracting data from different places and compared it and found some differences in BV points and Alpha strike's PV between mordel.net and masterunitlist.

A pdf file was attached to show the differences.

Could be any differences on BV and PV calculations? An error?

The first one, Liberator i know there is no data about BV and PV in Master Unit List.

Best regards.


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PostPosted: 14-Sep-2024 20:47    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Thanks for the kind feedback, and I'm glad you enjoy the site!

I can't really do anything with this myself. Personally I can tell you from experience that my values are usually correct. The problem is the values on the MUL are generally pulled from original record sheets and alpha strike cards.

Ultimately here's what needs to be done for these to get updated, because I'm pretty sure they won't take a large list:

1) Go to the topic in the official forums at https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=80685.0
2) Make a post for each unit (or a few at a time)
3) Highlight the difference and post my BV or PV breakdown in the post

I know they are moving the MUL, and aren't making any updates at the moment, so it may be worth holding onto these until that move happens.
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PostPosted: 15-Sep-2024 03:35    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

thanks for quick replay.

Yes, i figured it.

I knew they were going to change Master Unit List website but it is taken more time that they adviced, and they could be busy.

Anyway, i will extract the data from your BV and PV calculations and prepare to post in the official forums like you suggested.

Best regards and continue with the great job.
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PostPosted: 15-Sep-2024 08:11    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

One other thing to do that helps, if possible, is to check out the same value in MegaMekLab. If they match just post the values and they match. If me and MML have the same values, there's really no discussion needed and they update them pretty quickly. Smile
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PostPosted: 19-Sep-2024 04:30    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hi again!

I did it, compared with MegamekLab, and found coincidences and differences.

I attach three PDFs, just limited to BV.
Bigger one have the comparation between Mordel, MML and MUL.
Then two more with filters,once with coincidences between MML and MUL and other with coincidences between Mordel and MML.

I will submit to MUL forum the onces the second ones ASAP.

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PostPosted: 19-Sep-2024 11:14    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

The second one is interesting, because it means MML and me are not in sync. Did you look at the breakdowns to see where the differences are coming in? I wonder if it's the same issue causing the discrepancies in all of them.

Submitting the first will be easy because if me and MML agree, they will usually update MUL without question.
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PostPosted: 20-Sep-2024 03:31    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Sure, i will check BV breakdown of Mordel and MML ASAP, i will submit what i found.
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PostPosted: 03-Oct-2024 08:43    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hi again.

Sorry for delay.

That's the comparations in BV breakdown between Mordel and MegamekLab.

Mainly is about ferrofibrous armor points.

i will post in master unit list forums about the units that coincide between mordel and megameklab.

I will follow your messages about this one to update the data i extracted from both sites.

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PostPosted: 03-Oct-2024 11:48    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Thank you for this! The calculations are likely right, but the difference is likely due to an issue with the design. I'm willing to bet in most cases the error is on my side when the design was created. So, I'll go through this list and review each and update accordingly.

I really appreciate you doing all this data checking, I think it's a great thing!
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PostPosted: 04-Oct-2024 23:11    Post subject: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

So I was told by a Catalyst Demo organizer that some of the units on the MUL have had their PV altered from official catalyst values. Something to be aware of.
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PostPosted: 05-Oct-2024 13:46    Post subject: Re: Found differences between mordel.net and masterunitlist Reply to topic Reply with quote

Vagabond wrote:
So I was told by a Catalyst Demo organizer that some of the units on the MUL have had their PV altered from official catalyst values. Something to be aware of.


I'm not sure what that means, but the values on the MUL are the official catalyst values. They sometimes don't match originally published values because the originally published stuff was often wrong. But any reprints always pull the latest values from the MUL.
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