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| Is there another weapon (or weapons) which would perform better for a similar tonnage in the same situation as an AC/10 and its variants? |
| Yes, AC/10s are awful, why do they exist. |
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| They're an average weapon, not amazing nor terrible, but it has some potential to be effective. |
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| I only use the variants, why would anyone use a standard AC/10?! |
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Alisa Wolfstein
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 Posted: 20-May-2018 16:29 Post subject: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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I really like the AC/10 in concept, what should be a perfect compromise between range and damage. But when attempting to use them as standard, ultra or LB-X variants, I usually find myself thinking that another weapon could be better used in that position. The only exception is on lighter 'Mechs that cannot mount an AC/20 or Gauss rifle easily, where an AC/10 can be a decent choice to use for a high(ish) damage ranged weapon which also focuses that damage to a single location (unlike LRMs) for low heat.
Want to do more than the 5-damage clusters of LRMs to a single location at range? Use a PPC. Struggling with heat? Use a gauss rifle. Range not an issue? SRMs, AC/20s, even MRMs are better than an AC/10 in this scenario.
I think the primary issue with the AC/10 is that it weighs just that little bit too much to be viable. For less weight, you can have an LRM 20 with Artemis; a Heavy PPC; an MRM-30 or 5 SRM 4s. All do significantly more damage than an AC/10 in one turn, or multiple turns, when used in the best way possible for each weapon. I can't see why anyone would use an AC/10 over an AC/20 or Gauss Rifle, it's only 2 or 3 more tons and you get so much more. Let me know what you think, maybe you will be able to change my mind.
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| Posted: 20-May-2018 20:27 Post subject: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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I don't have a problem with the AC/10. The low heat output makes it a good choice. Sure, it's ammo dependent and can blow up. But I've never had a dislike for them.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 21-May-2018 06:39 Post subject: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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AC/10 was ballanced in times when only single heat sinks reigned and suffered heavily in comparison to more heat-intensve weapons that are lighter. It got some speciality ammo to make it a bit more viable, but what it should have gotten is a range boost to 6/12/18 to bring it in line with UAC/10 and LB 10-X IMO.
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| Posted: 21-May-2018 19:08 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | AC/10 was ballanced in times when only single heat sinks reigned and suffered heavily in comparison to more heat-intensve weapons that are lighter. It got some speciality ammo to make it a bit more viable, but what it should have gotten is a range boost to 6/12/18 to bring it in line with UAC/10 and LB 10-X IMO. |
Agreed...and the LB-10X is one of my favorite weapons...
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 21-May-2018 21:00 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | AC/10 was ballanced in times when only single heat sinks reigned and suffered heavily in comparison to more heat-intensve weapons that are lighter. It got some speciality ammo to make it a bit more viable, but what it should have gotten is a range boost to 6/12/18 to bring it in line with UAC/10 and LB 10-X IMO. |
It was well balanced, though I always felt it was a little heavy. Once double heatsinks came out and unbalanced lasers and heat intensive weapons, it was pretty much screwed. Now it is kind of underwhelming.
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Alisa Wolfstein
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| Posted: 23-May-2018 05:23 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| Ruger wrote: |
Agreed...and the LB-10X is one of my favorite weapons...
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How do you use the LB 10-X? I want to play with it more because I love the concept, but I struggle to gain the same amount of value from it as I could gain by using that same weight for different weapons of any type (missile, other ballistic or energy).
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| Posted: 23-May-2018 16:57 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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Slug at longer ranges or against minty opponents, cluster to crit seek once their armor is low.
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| Posted: 23-May-2018 19:06 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| chihawk wrote: | | Slug at longer ranges or against minty opponents, cluster to crit seek once their armor is low. |
What he said...it's got 18 hexes of range...use them...
It's why the Marauder-9S and the Enyo Sholef are the way they are...The Emperor and Dragon Fire are also good examples of good uses of that weapon...there are also some OmniMechs that have fairly decent models with them...
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Kylo Kruis
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 07:24 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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I always thought that the AC/10 should have had a range of 17/18 like the LB-10X. Then it would have been competitive with the PPC: The AC would have the same range without the minimum range, same damage and the potential to use special munitions and rapid fire (@ level 3).
As it is, the PPC is one of the best IS level 1 weapons in the game, while the AC/10 is somewhat forgotten....
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 07:49 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| What about AC/10 Vs. RAC/5.
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 08:49 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| Kylo Kruis wrote: | | What about AC/10 Vs. RAC/5. |
I like the thought of RACs, they just never live up to the hype!
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Kylo Kruis
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 13:28 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| What do you find a let down: the reduced range, jamming, heat or ammo dependency?
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Kylo Kruis
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 13:33 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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As Alisa has an issue with the AC/10, I also have an issue, but with the LAC/2. It has always seemed to me to be a great way to ruin a long range sniper weapon: take away the range and you are left with a weapon which is still heavy for its damage but has far less range and ammo dependency.
Sorry to Alisa for diverging this topic. 
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chihawk
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 16:32 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| Kylo Kruis wrote: | | What do you find a let down: the reduced range, jamming, heat or ammo dependency? |
The fact he hardly hits with them... 
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| Posted: 30-May-2018 16:51 Post subject: Re: AC/10s are fairly lackluster outside of 3025 rules... |
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| Kylo Kruis wrote: | I always thought that the AC/10 should have had a range of 17/18 like the LB-10X. Then it would have been competitive with the PPC: The AC would have the same range without the minimum range, same damage and the potential to use special munitions and rapid fire (@ level 3).
As it is, the PPC is one of the best IS level 1 weapons in the game, while the AC/10 is somewhat forgotten.... |
The 3025 AC/10 is slightly (slightly!) lackluster. Once you put in ammo and appropriate heat sinks, its weight matches the PPC. It's got less reach than the PPC, but no minimum. In 3025, I like the AC/10 on mechs that expect to fire all their weapons every round, and who want a 10 point punch with no minimum range. It makes a good primary armament due to that lack of medium range.
Where she really falls behind the PPC in 3025 is that being low heat, shes not a good bracket weapon.
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