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Draconis Combine
Tai-sho
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 Posted: 13-Feb-2006 20:38 Post subject: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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In his infinite wisdom, the Coordinator has decided to restart production of the Jenner and is accepting proposals and bids.
The parameters are very simple. You may use any piece of level two technology available to the Draconis Combine on a large scale, but remember to keep costs under control because the DCMS will want to build thousands of these.
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Erenon
Blighted Sun Battalion
2nd Company
"Seraph's Slaughter"
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| Posted: 13-Feb-2006 23:42 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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OK.. here's mine.. No HMPpro, so bear with me.
JR9-K
Tonnage: 35 tons
IS: EndoSteel: 2 tons
Engine: 245 rated 12 tons
W:7
R:11
J:7 3.5 tons
Heat Sinks: 10(20) 0 tons
Gyro: 3 tons
Cockpit: 3 tons
Armour: 99 (FF) 5.5 tons
IS AV
Head: 3 9
CT: 11 14/4
RT: 8 9/3
LT: 8 9/3
RA: 6 11
LA: 6 11
RL: 8 13
LL: 8 13
Weapons and Equipment
ML RA 1 1
ML RA 1 1
ML LA 1 1
ML LA 1 1
Flamer CT 1 1
C3 H 1 1
JJ RT 3 1.5
JJ LT 3 1.5
JJ CT 1 0.5
OK.. no fluff yet.. i'm taking a page from the 7-D. Boosting armour (though not as high as the 7-D) and adding a flamer and C3 to give it more tactical options. I'll try and get fluff later.
[ This Message was edited by: Erenon on 2006-02-13 23:44 ]
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
Kommandant-General
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 01:52 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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I saw a really good Omni-Jenner once. A bit pricey perhaps, but it would be flexible.
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mud
Draconis Combine
Tai-sho
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 10:33 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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I see two problems:
1) no missiles; this isn't really a problem so much as a prediliction on my part...I like SRMs.
2) Your armor placement is kind of weird. 11 points on the arms, but only 9 on the side torsos? I'd shift a point so it was 10s all around so you could reliably take a PPC hit without going internal.
3) Why not use ER Lasers?
on the plus side,
1) full jump capability
2) standard engine
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mud
Draconis Combine
Tai-sho
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 10:34 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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I hadn't even looked at it from that angle...but isn't the Owens basically an omni-Jenner?
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
Galaxy Commander
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 12:06 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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JR7-G1 Jenner
Type: Jenner
Technology Base: Inner Sphere Lvl 2
Tonnage: 35
Overview
This full overhaul of the JR7-D Jenner is designed to rebuild the mech into a powerful insurgent machine, and is focused around a dangerous and powerful modification to the machine which essentially changed the entire design.
The engineers working on the overhaul project developed an idea which they thought would make the Jenner deadly in a number of circumstances, though there is some circumstantial evidence to support the fact that the designers had a tad to much sake and just thought "Gawd! Thish would be sho cool!"
Essentially the five jump jets of the Jenner were blocked up, and emergency preasure escape valves on the front of the machine were opened up, with a bare minimum of shielding put in place to keep the mech from destroying itself when "jumping." The resulting explosive blast of raw fusion fire would tear out the front of the machine to torch anything it could reach.
Unfortanitly the power of the blast, meant to lift the Jenner over 150 meters, would knock the machine flat on its back. Rebuilding the structure of the machine with Endo Steel solved this problem, though they did notice that the machines armor needed to be rebuilt as well, and decided upon Ferro armor in an effort to reduce stress upon rigid plating when the jets were activated.
The force of the blast also wiped out anything resembling a targeting solution for other weapons. During tests on a mockup inside a firing lab, firing the jump jets would produce enough heat to overload the targeting computer before heat sinks would reduce the heat load.
Some kind of check was needed. By turning to more accurate weapons, the designers were able to finally make their jump jet/flamer hybrid work. By going from four to two lasers, and making them pulses they increased stability through weight, accuracy through weapon design, and the ability to target the weapon and let it fire even if the targeting computer was wiped.
The missile system was replaced with a streak system. If too inaccurate, the system simply would not fire. Finally the machine was fitted with double heat sinks in an attempt to control the horrible amounts of heat that were building up on the inside of the machine. Though they cannot solve the targeting problem, they do keep the heat reasonable at all times.
Finally, the one reasonable change made in a more sober moment, was the addition of a Guardian ECM Suite. This system was placed high on the left torso and looks like a small radar dome. However, the system simply protects the Jenner from observation, and being on the top side of the machine, is protected from the heat wave.
Equipment
Internal Structure: Endo Steel (2 tons)
Engine: 245 Type (12 tons)
Walking MP: 7
Running MP: 11
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double (10) (0 tons)
Gyro: 3 tons
Cockpit: 3 tons
Armor Factor: Ferro (4.5 tons)
Head: 9
Center Torso: 12
Center Torso (Rear): 4
R/L Torso: 10
R/L Torso (Rear): 2
R/L Arm: 8
R/L Leg: 8
Weapons & Equipment:
Stream SRM 2 -- CT
Medium Pulse Laser -- LA
Flamer -- LT
Guardian ECM Suite -- LT
Medium Pulse Laser -- RA
Flamer -- RT
Streak SRM 2 Ammo -- RT
CASE -- RT
Double Heat Sink -- RT
Endo Steel Placement:
1 CT
3 LA
2 LT
1 LL
3 RA
3 RT
1 RL
Ferro Fibrous Placement:
1 HD
3 LA
4 LT
1 LL
3 RA
1 RT
1 RL
Cost: 3,446,775
BV: 733
[ This Message was edited by: Raven! on 2006-02-14 12:06 ]
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ICER
Clan Hell's Horses
Galaxy Commander
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 12:40 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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I have the near perfect Jenner design. To bad (for you anyway) it is a clan design. Which you cannot have
However, if the Coordinator is willing to make a trade. A few worlds for a few mechs. I am sure my Khan is willing to help out 
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 13:22 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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Of course the Hell Horses would seek trade rather then honorable battle.
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ICER
Clan Hell's Horses
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 13:39 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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Hey, the secert of our success. 
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Snake Eyes
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 13:48 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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This one was upgraded, unfortunately, with an XL engine...
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Jenner JR7-S
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Mass: 35 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 280 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 129.6 km/h
Jump Jets: 8 Lexington Ltd. Lifters Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 240 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Ramtech 1500Z ER Medium Lasers
1 Guardian ECM
1 Shigunga MRM 10
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Jenner JR7-S
Mass: 35 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 58 pts Endo Steel 14 2.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 4 LA, 3 RA, 3 LT, 3 RT)
Engine: 280 XL Fusion 12 8.00
Walking MP: 8
Running MP: 12
Jumping MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt.: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 108 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 6.00
(Armor Crit Loc: 5 LA, 5 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 11 17
Center Torso (Rear): 4
L/R Side Torso: 8 12/12
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 6 11/11
L/R Leg: 8 12/12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
1 Guardian ECM LT 0 2 1.50
1 MRM 10 CT 4 24 3 4.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Targeting Computer RA 1 1.00
CASE Equipment: RT 1 .50
8 Standard Jump Jets: 8 4.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
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TOTALS: 14 78 35.00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 6,876,675 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,062
Cost per BV: 6,475.21
Weapon Value: 633 / 633 (Ratio = .60 / .60)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 13; MRDmg = 7; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 8J, Armor/Structure: 3/1
Damage PB/M/L: 2/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 11
Specials: ecm
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ICER
Clan Hell's Horses
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 17:42 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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HHMMMM, could you remove add 2 more lasers and replace MRM with a SRM 6? while keeping the same speed and jump?
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House Calderon 1
Federated Suns
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Joined: 03-Feb-2006 00:00
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 19:06 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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Oh, I love a challenge.
That is the primary reason that I LOVE light mechs. Next to nothing, weight wise, to work with and you need me to give you a HGR that is fast, armored, and can withstand a Highlander burial with only a scratch in the armor turn around and destroy you in a single salvo without shutting down or blowing up? Yeah, I can do that. Give me a day or three. See your nearest comstar respresentative to leave me a message.
This is going to be very difficult. How to upgrade this wonderful design and not lose the original flavor of the mech...
Be back...
Soon?????
Define "SOON".
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Erenon
Blighted Sun Battalion
2nd Company
"Seraph's Slaughter"
Sergeant
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 19:51 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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On 2006-02-14 10:33, mud wrote:
I see two problems:
1) no missiles; this isn't really a problem so much as a prediliction on my part...I like SRMs.
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So do i normally, but it's hard to keep the lasers and the SRMs while boosting other elements of the design. I could give it even less armour. But that would make it really fragile.
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2) Your armor placement is kind of weird. 11 points on the arms, but only 9 on the side torsos? I'd shift a point so it was 10s all around so you could reliably take a PPC hit without going internal.
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good point.. i'll make the change.
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3) Why not use ER Lasers?
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heat and cost. I had another idea that replaced the MLs with 2ER MLs and 2ER SLs.. drop half a ton of armour and replace the flamer with a streak-2..
OK.. here's mine.. No HMPpro, so bear with me.
JR9-K version 2
Tonnage: 35 tons
IS: EndoSteel: 2 tons
Engine: 245 rated 12 tons
W:7
R:11
J:7 3.5 tons
Heat Sinks: 10(20) 0 tons
Gyro: 3 tons
Cockpit: 3 tons
Armour: 99 (FF) 5.5 tons
IS AV
Head: 3 9
CT: 11 14/4
RT: 8 10/3
LT: 8 10/3
RA: 6 10
LA: 6 10
RL: 8 13
LL: 8 13
Weapons and Equipment
ML RA 1 1
ML RA 1 1
ML LA 1 1
ML LA 1 1
Flamer CT 1 1
C3 H 1 1
JJ RT 3 1.5
JJ LT 3 1.5
JJ CT 1 0.5
[ This Message was edited by: Erenon on 2006-02-14 19:54 ]
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Snake Eyes
Lyran Alliance
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Joined: 21-Sep-2003 00:00
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| Posted: 14-Feb-2006 19:58 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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Ok, i removed the TC, and GECM, then added two more Mediums and an SRM-6
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Jenner JR7-S-A
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Mass: 35 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 280 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 129.6 km/h
Jump Jets: 8 Lexington Ltd. Lifters Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 240 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Medium Lasers
1 SRM 6
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Jenner JR7-S-A
Mass: 35 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 58 pts Endo Steel 14 2.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 4 LA, 4 RA, 3 LT, 3 RT)
Engine: 280 XL Fusion 12 8.00
Walking MP: 8
Running MP: 12
Jumping MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 115 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 6.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 4 LA, 4 RA, 4 LT, 2 RT)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 11 17
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 8 12/12
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 6 11/11
L/R Leg: 8 15/15
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser RA 3 1 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00
1 SRM 6 CT 4 15 3 4.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
CASE Equipment: RT 1 .50
8 Standard Jump Jets: 8 4.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
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TOTALS: 20 77 35.00
Crits & Tons Left: 1 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 6,784,875 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,073
Cost per BV: 6,323.28
Weapon Value: 764 / 764 (Ratio = .71 / .71)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 22; MRDmg = 6; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 8J, Armor/Structure: 3/1
Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/-, Overheat: 1
Class: ML; Point Value: 11
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
Major
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Location: Germany
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| Posted: 15-Feb-2006 01:31 Post subject: RE: Design Challenge: 3060 new production Jenner |
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Its hard to improve the Jenner while keeping a standard engine!
Do the Kuritans have Light engines in 3060?
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