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Seraph
Blighted Sun Battalion
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"Seraph's Slaughter"
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 Posted: 26-Oct-2004 04:05 Post subject: Budget match-up |
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DV-6m Dervish- Costs 4,980,688 c-bills.
RFL-4D Rifleman- Costs 4,980,800 c-bills.
Rifleman has no ammo but massive heat problems.
Dervish has lots of ammo but lesser heat problems.
Armor is similar, speeds are close.
Dervish has longer range but lower damage at range and can jump.
What do you guys think?
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bladewind
Free Rasalhague Republic
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 05:49 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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is the Dervish cased ?
and what is the heat disp / heat gen rate of the Rifleman ?
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Sir Henry
Team Bansai
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 06:24 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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The Dervish should be able to take the Rifleman.
The mobility factor .
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Oafman
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 07:16 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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If this is a 'budget' match then the Dervish should win most engagements. The problem would come in if this was an extended engagement with both sides raiding and retreating (think 3025 era). Eventually the Dervish will run out of ammo, do you have enough money to support it?
Heat I can live with, empty ammo bins I cannot. 
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 08:46 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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4D Rifleman carries two large lasers and two PPCs, and a somewhat underwhelming 15 single heat sinks.
A bad version of a bad mech. It will die, die die! 
Seriously. The Rifleman's got all those guns in the arms, shielded by it's not-quite-frontline medium mech armor. It's got the same armor tonnage as that fire support Dervish, heat problems and worse mobility.
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cain
Blighted Sun Battalion
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"Ralgith's Renegades"
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 09:49 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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Dervish will tear open the rifleman its superior movment curve will eventually get it a back shot and the rifleman hasnt the armor for that
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 12:44 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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The Rifleman hasn't got much of a chance. The Dervish can use its higher speed to stay out of PPC range, and bombard the Rifleman with LRMs. That will seriously weaken the Rifleman's armor, and then the Dervish will have to close in with lasers and SRMs.The Rifleman still has some chance, but it's inability to fire more than a fraction of its weapons will most likely get it killed, while the Dervish outmanuevers it and finishes it with SRM and laser fire. The Rifleman's only real chance is a stupid Dervish pilot or a lucky shot (likely SRM ammo).
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 15:56 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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Dervish.
It has manuverability. Better speed. Better range.
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Ronin
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 17:53 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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As Ruger will likely point out before too long, the Dervish is a pretty nifty machine, and often under-rated.
The Dervish has my vote here.
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Seraph
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 18:23 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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Another question to consider.
If you were in charge of a merc company composed of mecchs in the 30-70 tons range and you were short one mech, had 4.9 mil to spend, and those were the only two available.
Which would you invest in?
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Blackhand
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 19:32 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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Dervish every time, mainly because its a far more useful chasis to use.
The Rifleman is a paper armoured mech so its a bad choice for mech units especially the 4D version.
Course this depends on how much you can live with your ammo bills being relatively high because of the dervish's expenditures.
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 26-Oct-2004 23:45 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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That would depend on what my unit really needs. If there's a place open for a medium jump capable support unit, I buy the Dervish. If I need a slower heavy support unit I pick the poor Rifleman. Both have the same amount of armor.
These aren't BAD mechs, they're just not made to fight duels alone. Both can be effective as parts of a suitable lance.
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Ruger
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 03-Nov-2004 17:40 Post subject: RE: Budget match-up |
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On 2004-10-26 17:53, Ronin wrote:
As Ruger will likely point out before too long, the Dervish is a pretty nifty machine, and often under-rated.
The Dervish has my vote here.
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You rang?
As was stated above, I will have to throw my support behind the Dervish...
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