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PostPosted: 23-May-2007 23:31    Post subject: BMP Reply to topic Reply with quote

       BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                      VALIDATED

Type/Model:    BMP 
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          35 tons
Power Plant:   140 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      
  1 Autocannon/5 
  1 Machine Gun 
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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==Overview:==
The BMP ("Basic Military Patrol") unit represents the first original design to
come out of the Duchy of Small. The Duchy has been aggressive towards some of
its neighbors, and so it only makes sense that it would develop an indigenous
weapons factory to help back up its boasts.

On the surface, the BMP appears to be little different from other light tanks.
It has an AC/5 as its main weapon, and a machine gun to support it. While the
infantry compartment is somewhat novel, it's not all that original.

What does make the BMP stand out, however, is the fact that it comes from the
factory with amphibious locomition equipment. Information is spotty as to
possible reasons why, but the most likely scenario is that the Duchy simply
wanted a vehicle that could have a limited operational capacity in water. It
has been argued that the Duchy is lacking hovercraft and bridgelaying units,
but this cannot be confirmed at this time.

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Type/Model:    BMP 
Mass:          35 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  20 pts Standard               0      3.50
Engine:        140 I.C.E.                    0     10.00
    Cruise MP:   4
     Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.75
Crew: 3 Members                              0       .00
Amphibious Drive Equipment:                  0      3.50
Turret Equipment:                            0       .85
Armor Factor:   70 pts Standard              0      4.38

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     4         21 
   Left / Right Sides:        4      14/14 
   Rear:                      4          9 
   Turret:                    4         12 

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Autocannon/5           Turret   0   20     2      9.00
1 Machine Gun            Turret   0  100     2      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.02
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TOTALS:                           0          6     35.00
Items & Tons Left:                           6       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        475,492 C-Bills
Battle Value:      181
Cost per BV:       2,627.03
Weapon Value:      71 / 71 (Ratio = .39 / .39)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 5;  MRDmg = 3;  LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2:      MP: 4T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 2
                   Specials: tran1


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PostPosted: 24-May-2007 19:30    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Do they have a gun/missile combo?
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PostPosted: 24-May-2007 21:45    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Karagin wrote:
Do they have a gun/missile combo?


I just barely had enough tonnage for the machine gun; adding missiles would mean downgrading the AC/5 to an AC/2. Even then, you'd only get an SRM 2 rack or some RL 10s.
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PostPosted: 24-May-2007 22:34    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Code:
          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                      VALIDATED

Type/Model:    BMP G/M
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          35 tons
Power Plant:   140 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  1 Autocannon/5
  1 SRM 2
  2 Machine Guns
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    BMP G/M
Mass:          35 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  20 pts Standard               0      3.50
Engine:        140 I.C.E.                    0     10.00
    Cruise MP:   4
     Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      2.00
Crew: 3 Members                              0       .00
Turret Equipment:                            0      1.00
Armor Factor:   48 pts Standard              0      3.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     4         10
   Left / Right Sides:        4      10/10
   Rear:                      4          8
   Turret:                    4         10

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Autocannon/5           Turret   0   20     2      9.00
1 SRM 2                  Turret   0   50     2      2.00
1 Machine Gun            Turret   0  100     2      1.00
1 Machine Gun            Front    0          1       .50
1 Targeting Computer                         1      2.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          9     35.00
Items & Tons Left:                           3       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        497,700 C-Bills
Battle Value:      198
Cost per BV:       2,513.64
Weapon Value:      76 / 76 (Ratio = .38 / .38)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 8;  MRDmg = 4;  LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2:      MP: 4T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 2
                   Specials: tran1


And here is one without the Infantry bay but you get an LRM5:

Code:
          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                      VALIDATED

Type/Model:    BMP G/M 1
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          35 tons
Power Plant:   140 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  1 Autocannon/5
  1 LRM 5
  1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    BMP G/M 1
Mass:          35 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  20 pts Standard               0      3.50
Engine:        140 I.C.E.                    0     10.00
    Cruise MP:   4
     Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      2.00
Crew: 3 Members                              0       .00
Turret Equipment:                            0      1.50
Armor Factor:   48 pts Standard              0      3.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     4         10
   Left / Right Sides:        4      10/10
   Rear:                      4          8
   Turret:                    4         10

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Autocannon/5           Turret   0   20     2      9.00
1 LRM 5                  Turret   0   24     2      3.00
1 Machine Gun            Turret   0  100     2      1.00
1 Targeting Computer                         1      2.00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          7     35.00
Items & Tons Left:                           5       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        525,375 C-Bills
Battle Value:      223
Cost per BV:       2,355.94
Weapon Value:      89 / 89 (Ratio = .40 / .40)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 7;  MRDmg = 6;  LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2:      MP: 4T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 2

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PostPosted: 25-May-2007 02:02    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

An useful vehicle, but I would like to try the LAC/5 variant. I think that LACs are easy to get even to small nations and here it would save A LOT of tonnage.
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PostPosted: 26-May-2007 08:30    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I've to support SD here. An LAC/5 would free 3 tons so you can get a full 3 ton infantry bay and maybe two RL-10 for some missile support.
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PostPosted: 26-May-2007 10:20    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

1 ton of infantry bay should be more then enough. Again the differences in the rules for what a group of 28 infantry troopers weigh needs fixing.
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PostPosted: 26-May-2007 10:46    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Karagin wrote:
1 ton of infantry bay should be more then enough. Again the differences in the rules for what a group of 28 infantry troopers weigh needs fixing.


With 28 troopers in 3 tons you'll have 107 kg per trooper! Idon't think that this can be fixed to fit into 1 ton! (Or do I get something wrong? I'm not sure what you really want to say Sad )
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PostPosted: 26-May-2007 20:26    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

What I am saying is how many troopers are you carrying for 1 ton?

Most APCs won't be carrying a whole platoon of guys, it doesn't makes sense nor is it smart.

So captain, why did the attack fail?

Well Colonel, we had all of platoons in the four APCs you sent us and well the enemy hit us with arty and air strikes. We lost all four platoons as well as the four APCs.

So again given that, what is the actual amount of troopers being carried for one ton?

If you say it's seven guys for one ton then you need 4 tons to hold all 28 soldiers. Yet if you break the platoon down and suggest that some have LMGs or other support weapons then the weight goes up and you have spend more get them on the vehicle.
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PostPosted: 27-May-2007 08:10    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Oh, I see! The BT standard APC's had 1 ton of infantry bay each and we have played ever since with one squad per APC regardless of the rules forbidding splitted platoons. Actually we took 0,75 tons per foot squad!
But as more and more heavier APC's surfaced in BT that carried whole platoons (To be in line with their own rules Wink ) we adopted that way of thinking in platoons.
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PostPosted: 27-May-2007 10:59    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I never bought into the you can't split up platoons way of thinking. Could you tell me where in the rule book it states that so I can mark it.
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PostPosted: 27-May-2007 14:03    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Karagin wrote:

Could you tell me where in the rule book it states that so I can mark it.


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