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Sleeping Dragon
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 Posted: 01-Oct-2006 05:11 Post subject: RE: HEAT |
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On 2006-09-30 17:05, SaberDance wrote:
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On 2006-09-30 16:02, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
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This is a good point that cannot be over-made. Particularly on the Lvl. 1 mech, heat problems are often self-inflicted. People got too used to being able to shoot everything when they got double heat sinks and couldn't make the adjustment back to fire discipline.
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He, he, don't tell me anything about DHSs and alpha strikes. Yesterday I was driving a Kodiak 
[ This Message was edited by: Sleeping Dragon on 2006-10-01 06:24 ]
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jymset
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| Posted: 01-Oct-2006 17:47 Post subject: RE: HEAT |
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I totally second everything that Pin has said.
I'd like to add some other great examples of 'mechs that will fry themselves on alpha-strikes, yet run perfectly cool when used with just basic common sense.
Mordel has named a great IS lvl2 example, the Penetrator.
My votes for the best examples in other tech levels would be:
lvl1: Stalker
Clan: Mad Dog/Vulture A
Notice how designs that are aimed at serving multiple range brackets end up with a comparatively low BV? At least with the old BV....
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chihawk
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| Posted: 01-Oct-2006 17:56 Post subject: RE: HEAT |
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On 2006-10-01 17:47, jymset wrote:
Notice how designs that are aimed at serving multiple range brackets end up with a comparatively low BV? At least with the old BV....
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Because the formula lowers the BV of mechs that overheat when all the weapons are fired...
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jymset
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| Posted: 02-Oct-2006 03:26 Post subject: RE: HEAT |
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Well, yeah, I was just stating the obvious, I know..... 
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cain
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| Posted: 02-Oct-2006 06:36 Post subject: RE: HEAT |
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I always thought of the Stalker (3F) as an excellent example of a mech that requires heat discipline (it says it in the fluff!) trying an alpha in a Stalker is a very bad idea unless you out of ammo but it doesn't need to alpha its weapons are well grouped and by the time your desperate near the end of a battle your more then likely out of ammo and maybe even missing a few weapons this the time for an alpha late in the fight against wounded foes it can finish a mech at a crucial time
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jymset
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| Posted: 02-Oct-2006 12:50 Post subject: RE: HEAT |
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I don't really agree - after all, the weapons are so obviously grouped..... It simply has two options:
within 9 hexes, unload with medium lasers and SRMs (=20 heat - 20 heat sinks = 0) - the equation is really, really easy.
above 9 hexes, unload with large lasers and LRMs (=24 heat - 20 heat sinks = "magic" 4 heat).
Juggle slightly for movement, or for adding some long range weapons at closer range if the kill is real juicy.
Sorry, I think it is extremely easy to ride a Stalker without breaking sweat.
But yeah, it is a good example of a 'mech definitely *not* designed to alpha strike all over the place.
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