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Kalo Osis
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 Posted: 23-Apr-2006 16:37 Post subject: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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I have been having a tad ibt of trouble classifying the Warships that I have been making. Can someone tell me the weight ranges for each class? For example, a Destroyer is 500,000 to 750,000 tons (Even though it may not be that). I hope someone can give me an answer.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 23-Apr-2006 17:29 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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http://www.classicbattletech.com/downloads/AT2r_Components_10-13.pdf
WARSHIPS
Heavily armored, massively armed, and highly mobile, the
military JumpShips known as WarShips generally have the firepower
to destroy even an assault DropShip with a single volley.
As such, they usually need only fear another WarShip.
As with DropShips, their myriad sizes and design creates
two categories, both of which are based upon their size,
though their intended role comes into play in the second type
of categorization.
The first is a simple small and large demarcation, as explained
below. The second type of classification combines of size and role,
though the wild variations in size and use of WarShips means some
vessels fall outside of the categories shown:
Raider: 100,000 to 150,000 tons
Corvette: 150,000 to 250,000 tons
Destroyer: 250,000 to 550,000 tons
Frigate: 500,000 to 750,000 tons
Light Cruiser: 600,000 to 725,000 tons
Cruiser: 700,000 to 800,000 tons
Heavy Cruiser: 800,000 to 1,000,000 tons
Battle Cruiser: 750,000 to 1,400,000 tons
Battleship: 1,000,000 to 2,500,000 tons
Surveillance, Transports, and Carriers: No weight restrictions,
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Kalo Osis
Clan Ice Hellions
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| Posted: 23-Apr-2006 18:37 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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Thank you very much Vagabond.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 24-Apr-2006 12:23 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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I also have my own classifications that you can use, I use them of course... and I think StarRaven did once upon a time too.
Here they are, again 
Patrol/Scout Craft SC <= 100,000
Corvette CT 100,000-250,000
Destroyer DD 250,000-450,000
Frigate FF 450,000-700,000
Light Cruiser CL 700,000-850,000
Heavy Cruiser CA 850,000-1,000,000
Battlecruiser BC 1,000,000-1,500,000 (aka Light Battleship BL)
Battleship BB 1,500,000-2,000,000
Super Battleship BS 2,000,000-2,500,000 (aka Battledreadnought BDN)
Patrol Carrier CVP <= 500,000 (aka Mini Carrier CVM)
Light Carrier CVL 500,000-800,000
Carrier CV 800,000-1,250,000
Super Carrier CVA >= 1,250,000
Enjoy that
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MedMech
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| Posted: 26-Apr-2006 20:00 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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Just a small point, I was wandering around wikipedia when I came across the fact-ette that many of the weight classes (especially light and heavy cruiser) come from the 1930 London Naval Treaty that attempted to limit the naval arms race. There was also stuff about the different class names for different countries, the biggest English speaking differences (naturally) being between the Royal Navy and US Navy. Dunno if this adds anything 
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chihawk
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| Posted: 26-Apr-2006 20:23 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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On 2006-04-26 20:00, MedMech wrote:
Dunno if this adds anything
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Probably not as this is about Battletech, but welcome anyway
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 27-Apr-2006 03:24 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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Yeah, Welcome! Come to have a fussionaire at Mordel's 
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Raven!
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| Posted: 27-Apr-2006 13:15 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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Hey I hate to interupt but I am thinking that I might have a wrench....
Isn't warship class determined by armament or role, and not weight? Hence things like pocket battleships?
And weren't light cruisers determined by the inch of their guns? I remember reading something like this in the book Castles of Steel, which is about the navies of World War 1. Sadly I sold my copy a few months ago so I can't check up on this.
If anyone could, I'd be most grateful!
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 28-Apr-2006 00:22 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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In Aerotech it's the weight that determines the WarShip category, but that doesn't mean that the Corvette cannot have surprising firepower
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Kalo Osis
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| Posted: 28-Apr-2006 06:09 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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Raven makes a good point. In World War II for example, a Battleship was classified as a ship with heavy armor, slower speed, and carrying guns in excess of twelve inch caliber. So it could be a multitude of weights, and Cruisers were classified as relativley cheap vessels with speeds equal to that of a destroyer and not carrying guns in excess of twelve caliber. Corvettes were any ship with a low speed desgined for ant-submarine warfare.So Raven, you seem to have made an excellent point.
[ This Message was edited by: Kalo Osis on 2006-04-28 06:14 ]
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DefensorFidei
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| Posted: 24-Jun-2006 06:30 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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| I know that the technical weight class for a battleship goes up to 2,500,000, tons but lets be honest, only one ship is that big and it is so far superior to any other ship that it should have its own class. Anybody who actually studiess the Leviathan to anything will recognize it is more of a one ship fleet than anything else. For all of your WWII comparisons it is like two battleships and three aircraft carriers rolled into one. In truth it is more of a symbol of Ghost Bear might than anything else, but hey, thats a beast of a ship.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 24-Jun-2006 16:21 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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just call it the 'Super Dreadnaught' Class.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 25-Jun-2006 18:06 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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On 2006-06-24 06:30, DefensorFidei wrote:
I know that the technical weight class for a battleship goes up to 2,500,000, tons but lets be honest, only one ship is that big and it is so far superior to any other ship that it should have its own class.
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To be perfectly honest, I've been underwhelmed by the Clan battleships...even the Leviathan...
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DefensorFidei
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| Posted: 25-Jun-2006 18:08 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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underwhelmed? Barring the Death Star being reinvented in the Inner Sphere what is even comparable to the leviathan?
100 armor on all sides
ridiculous weaponry
300 fighters rate 16/turn
What comes close?
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Ruger
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| Posted: 29-Jun-2006 18:18 Post subject: RE: Weight Classes for Warhsips |
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On 2006-06-25 18:08, DefensorFidei wrote:
underwhelmed? Barring the Death Star being reinvented in the Inner Sphere what is even comparable to the leviathan?
100 armor on all sides
ridiculous weaponry
300 fighters rate 16/turn
What comes close?
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Yes, they have impressive armor...yes, they have a lot of fighters...but the capital-scale armament at least gives the impression of being lackluster...it consists of
2 Heavy Naval Gauss
4 Medium Naval Gauss
10 NAC-30's
28 Medium Naval PPC's
108 NL-55's
6 AR-10's
I can pretty much fit the same complement onto a Texas-class, if I give up a bit of cargo...in fact, I've turned a Texas into a battlecarrier by giving it 108 fighters, upping the armor to the max its frame can hold (365 fore and aft, 494 per side), and then arming it with the following:
12 Heavy Naval Gauss
12 NAC-40's
16 Heavy Naval PPC's
72 NL-45's
16 AR-10's
Considering the Texas is about 800,000 tons lighter, the Leviathan 2's armament just seems lacking to me...now granted it has a larger anti-fighter weapon complement than I was able to give the Texas...then again, I was only using Star League tech on my version, not clan tech...
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