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Horhiro
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 Posted: 20-May-2002 17:45 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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I'm jonesing to go see it again myself. But my wife is adamant about going to see Spidey again instead, so I'll just have wait and see......
I can't wait to see Mace Windu buy it in the next film, but his purple Light Sabre is kind of cool in a funked out way. "hmmmnnnn, that's a damn good cheeseburger"
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Gangrene
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| Posted: 20-May-2002 21:46 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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I'm a bit behind the times, but I just got back from seeing it. After seeing this film I have arrived at a very important conclusion:
I need to get a job as an actor so I can get paid to kiss Natalie Portman.
Okay, back to Star Wars.
Episode 2 was quite fun, if not a little slow for the first hour. It was definitely worth the price of admission. I really liked the battle at the end (and the big starships did remind me of Btech). The return of R2 and C3PO were welcome, and I was glad to see Jar Jar's role was kept to a minimum.
I was kind of disappointed with the light saber scene, though. Yoda flipping around all over the place was a tad overkill, IMO. But Anakin using 2 sabers was very cool.
The humor was good, too. Kenobi telling Anakin that he would be "the death of me" brought a grin to my face. Funny stuff, George.
And lastly Episode 2 was an improvement over Episode 1. It was better in about every way, except the light saber scene at the end of E1 with Darth Maul was not surpassed in E2.
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| Posted: 20-May-2002 21:58 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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Agreed, Although it was cool to see Yoda weild one.
The Maul duel was far better in EP1
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| Posted: 20-May-2002 23:15 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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AotC was a just a big ripoff. I already saw a midget with a lightsaber in Leprechun in Space.
No, seriously, it was a little green man with a green lightsaber in L4. New Line Cinema is sooooo going to sue Lucasfilms.
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| Posted: 21-May-2002 00:06 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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Whats scary is you are right...
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 21-May-2002 08:11 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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No they won't. If anything, NL will be sued of using a lightsaber by Lucas....
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| Posted: 21-May-2002 14:50 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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On 2002-05-21 00:06, Talen wrote:
Whats scary is you are right...
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Do not tell him that, He is hard enough to deal with.
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 12:58 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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Ruger, finally I can agree with you on a Star Wars movie (remember, we talked about Episode I - has it already been that long?)!
Now, I am nowhere near as euphoric as half of this bunch. Where it sucked, it sucked bad. I went to the midnight premiere, and boy, was it a fan-crowd (I am a moderate fan - don't know any of the hardcore jingo). I don't know about the American audience, but here, in the midnight premiere, even here the audience started to jeer at the movie in open ridicule during the 'love' scenes. Don't get me wrong. Romantic scenes done well can advance ANY movie. But these ones were horribly paced and scripted. They totally took out all the breath of the movie when they were on.
The two worst ones: The grass/hippo-riding scene. Embarrassingly laughable. And the fire-place deep'n'serious talk. Embarrassingly clichéd and boring. The others were bad, but not as.
Well, and the rest of the first half was, well, adequate. Coruscant's feel, while utter fun, reminded me more of the Star Wars computer games than the previous movies. The water-planet - quite enjoyable, but not great.
BUT - the 2nd half of the movie kicked my arse harder than any other action flick has ever done. The arena bit - better than Gladiator. The battle scene - well, I haven't seen Black Hawk Down but I don't think that movie will top this. And Yoda.....well....Yoda...... WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE ON ABOUT?!?!?! Citing the Darth Maul fight?!? The whole scene, how it built up, with Anakin getting brushed aside, then Obi-Wan getting defeated, then Yoda kicking arse. It beautifully built up a hierarchy. And it was sooo well done. It could've been a low-point. But it so ranks in my top-5 Star Wars moments!! Basically, I was never that impressed with the Episode I light-sabre fight (though still the best scene in that dismal flick). While quick-paced, it lacked the drama (Ep VI), pathos (Ep IV) or tension (Ep V) of the previous films. Here, we have drama, tension (not so much pathos, though) AND action. By melding two fights into one, every aspect is served.
Another thing that I seemingly liked MORE (shock! horror!) than most is the complexity of motives/story-line. This movie is less in-your-face than Episode I or even most of the older ones. The way that loyalties shift and evil seeps in before our very eyes is.... captivating.
So, how would I rank it. Well, it definitely ain't as good as Episode V. Heck, this is my 2nd favourite sci-fi of all time (after AlienS)!! It ain't as good as Episode IV, either. Come on, that is the classic one. It is MILES, no, WORLDS better than Episode I. Nuff said. So, all in all, it ranks about the same as Return of the Jedi. Which is, in itself, quite a feat. The thrilling is better than anything. And the bad is god-awful. But then, so were the Ewoks!
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Karagin
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 13:50 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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On 2002-05-18 09:36, Ruger wrote:
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On 2002-05-18 00:12, Talen wrote:
What I really liked was the original versions of the AT-AT and Star Destroyer...
I didnt like the few things Georgy decided to mess with in terms of the Death Star. Bevel Lmensk was supposed to design it in the Maw installation after Palpatine and Tarkin thought up super weapons (Torpedo Spheres, Death Stars, Sleeper Ships, etc).
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I'm not sure Lemilisk was ever anything more than a creation of the RPG, so he doesn't really count...
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Actually, Lucas stated that ALL the offical SW that had the SW license logo on it was offical and part of the universe and he would use what he wanted of it. So this pre-Death Star may led upto having the MAW group build it or it may not.
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Gangrene
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 13:52 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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The arena bit - better than Gladiator. The battle scene - well, I haven't seen Black Hawk Down but I don't think that movie will top this.
You europeans and your taste for cheese. While the arena bit was good it is not even in the same league as Gladiator. And comparing a realistic fight scene and a sci-fi fight scene is like comparing apples and oranges.
And Yoda.....well....Yoda...... WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE ON ABOUT?!?!?! Citing the Darth Maul fight?!?
The Darth Maul scene was better because they used actual moves and less over-the-top effects, IMO.
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 17:04 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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On 2002-05-22 13:52, Gangrene wrote:
The arena bit - better than Gladiator. The battle scene - well, I haven't seen Black Hawk Down but I don't think that movie will top this.
You europeans and your taste for cheese. While the arena bit was good it is not even in the same league as Gladiator. And comparing a realistic fight scene and a sci-fi fight scene is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Gangrene, as an European of sorts I can assure you Gladiator is utter cheesy crap for the uneducated American rabble.
Gladiator is full of BS, there's nothing remotely approaching reality in it. And if not as bad as Pearl Harbor, it comes close.
I am aware Americans don't have two thousand years of history behind them, but that's not an excuse for moviemakers to BS the audiences, in the past, Hollywood did its best to ensure historical accuracy in most Roman movies, in example. In fact one has to thank the US movie industry for recreating the past and educating the people about it.
I'll try to find later an Osprey journal article detailing the incredible amount of BS and nonsense that it was the battle with the barbarians in Gladiator.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 17:08 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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Rumor had it that the producers of Galdaitor hired several noted historians on Roman times and culture for the movie to ensure that they got 80% of it right...guess someone for got to tell the script writers.
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 17:23 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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Howdy all!
Pardone my left-handed drug induced typing as I am just coherent enough to type! 
jymset and Vampire you've got to overlook the american movie making menality Hollywood has stuck itsef with.
I agree the love scene wasn't the best scripted jymset, but this was Lucas' first shot of doing a love scene that meant anything! Amerturish at best is how I would call it but she sure is good on the eyes if'n you ask me!! 
Vampire you must have forgotten that American movie makers only get our history remotely correct let alone someone whose history is 10x's greater than our own!!!
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| Posted: 22-May-2002 17:44 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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On 2002-05-22 12:58, jymset wrote:
Ruger, finally I can agree with you on a Star Wars movie
Now, I am nowhere near as euphoric as half of this bunch. Where it sucked, it sucked bad.
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Agreed, I saw it last night so first I'll contribute my opinion. In order, it's slow and long, the chase scene in Coruscant cars is just the same old car chase I'm bored of seeing in cop movies.
The assasing being killed before he can reveal who has hired him is trite.
R2D2 and 3PO are fitted in with shoehorn just as a marketing ploy, don't misunderstand me, I love the pair, but they don't belong in this movie. Hasn't anybody noticed that Owen Lars buys in Episode IV the same two droids that he had at the farm when he was young??
The love scenes, well, a lot of cliches, but I didn't notice they were bad, I was just too busy gazing at Natalie Portman
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BUT - the 2nd half of the movie kicked my arse harder than any other action flick has ever done. The arena bit - better than Gladiator.
The battle scene... And Yoda.....
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Agreed, the arena scene was not original, but was good. And the robots were cool.
About Yoda, the character has suffered from an a image as a cute teddy bear, or some green martian pacifist hippie well, the lightsaber scene serves a purpose, reminding us that to be the Grand Master Jedi you have to be abñle to kick ass if neccessary, and his role commanding the army teaches us that though it's better to avoid it, violence it sometimes neccessary. I was very pleased with this, disabusing those Force crackpots of their hippie, supermarket shelf -Buddhism, Force fantasies.
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So, how would I rank it. Well, it definitely ain't as good as Episode V.
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This I don't get it at all. How can people say
"The Empire Strikes Back" it's better than "Star Wars", in my view, Episode V is the least good of the three original movies.
I don't get it. I read somebody saying at other message board that Star Wars dialoguewas "corny" and "awfully written"
Have we seen the same film? Hell, I practically can remember all the movie dialogs. I can't see what the fault is, I love the jokes, and the way Han Solo and Leia argue with each other. In general I think the dialogue is great and the acting good.
I think Star Wars is the best of all the movies with the action flowing smoothly until the final climax.
The Empire Strikes Back good points is the battle for Hoth, and the asteroid field, but as for the rest of the movie, nothing much happens, with Luke training in Dagobah and the others in Bespin, bit slow, though the final duel between Luke and Darth Vader is good.
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The thrilling is better than anything. And the bad is god-awful. But then, so were the Ewoks!
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Well, I think Return of the Jedi has the most spectacular battle scenes of the lot, it's a pity that it lacks the surprise element, and I will concede that's trying to repeat the best from Star Wars, namely the attack on the Death Star.
As for the ewoks..I think people are too cynical, I found them quite engaging, and they serve as a reminder than in the fight against tyranny, everybody counts no matter how small or unimportant. Another lesson is that hi-tech technology is useless against a foe that believes in the cause and take advantage of terrain. I don't know you, but the sight of the Imperial war machines being destroyed in the jungle by primtives brings echoes of Vietnam and other wars.
To close, I think Episode I and IIs are money scams, though they make good entertainment. I don't think Episode I was that bad, and Episode II is only so-so until the last hour where it comes close to the original movies, awesome visually, though it lacks the magic of the original three.
And I must note I have the original versions of the movies, not that special edition crap with uneeded and unwanted extra footage and SFX.
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| Posted: 23-May-2002 16:09 Post subject: Ruger's Movie Review: Star Wars Episode II...spoilers ahead |
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Gangrene, as an European of sorts I can assure you Gladiator is utter cheesy crap for the uneducated American rabble.
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So what movies do they make for the uneducated European rabble?
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Gladiator is full of BS, there's nothing remotely approaching reality in it. And if not as bad as Pearl Harbor, it comes close.
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I was speaking more along the lines of the physics of the movie, and not the storyline. I know that Gladiator is, at best, loosely based on a kinda true event. And the physics are a little exaggerated, but it is supposed to be set in this universe with these rules. That's why I say comparing fighting scenes from fantasy and reality-based movies is like comparing apples and oranges.
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