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Dorian Sukhanov
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 Posted: 31-Oct-2005 20:56 Post subject: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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Here is a challenge for you people. Build me a battlecruiser that will ressurect the SMS Seydlitz. The SMS Seydlitz was a German Battlecruiser commisioned in 1913 and folded into the High Seas Fleet under Admiral Franz von Hipper. She fought in the Battle of Dogger Bank in 1915, and again in the Battle of Jutland in 1916. The Battle of Jutland was the biggest naval engagement in history: Two hundred and fifty ships involved in the battle. The Seydlitz saw heavy action, took twenty one shell hits and a torpedo strike. The Seydlitz sank the British HMS Queen Mary. She was scuttled in 1919 by the British in Scapa Flow. Make me a TRO that would do the Seydlitz proud.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 31-Oct-2005 21:03 Post subject: RE: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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Well, that doesn't tell us much. What sort of armament? I've been working on a battlecruiser for a while, but at least I have some idea of how I want it armed (not that it seems to be helping me finish). I don't have that here.
And what sort of speed? 3/5? Faster?
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Delta
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 31-Oct-2005 22:02 Post subject: RE: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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Theres already a Seydlitz fighter... 
Just letting you know.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 31-Oct-2005 22:22 Post subject: RE: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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On 2005-10-31 22:02, Delta wrote:
Theres already a Seydlitz fighter...
Just letting you know.
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Aha! I knew that that name sounded familiar in Battletech. Because it's a fighter, that's why. Someday I might bother to learn fighters like I've learned 'Mechs - but not today.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 31-Oct-2005 22:31 Post subject: RE: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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What tech? What time frame, who do you want using it? Is cost a factor?
We need more info and input from you if you want us to do this.
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Motown Scrapper
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 00:58 Post subject: RE: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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On 2005-10-31 21:03, StarRaven wrote:
Well, that doesn't tell us much. What sort of armament? I've been working on a battlecruiser for a while, but at least I have some idea of how I want it armed (not that it seems to be helping me finish). I don't have that here.
And what sort of speed? 3/5? Faster?
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Okay here is the specs for the SMS Seydlitz you can go from there
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ralgith
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 01:49 Post subject: RE: Build Challenge: Seydlitz Class Battlecruiser |
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On 2005-10-31 22:31, Karagin wrote:
What tech? What time frame, who do you want using it? Is cost a factor?
We need more info and input from you if you want us to do this.
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Since he didn't specify tech, I assumed any allowed..  but still, good idea to clarify.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 03:10 Post subject: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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Ok, this is just a quick 15 minute or so work up. I calculated vessel size by multiplying the sizes of the original WW I ship by 6 because at that multiplier the length came out longer than HMA's calculated length for that weight, corresponding the the original's notation of being longer and narrower than similiar ships. I made the guns mostly NACs, to correspond to the original's main and secondary guns. LBX ACs to correspond to the AA guns, and the rest is just filler weapons to make it a total badass ship 
And here she is, enjoy:
AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Seydlitz
Tech: Clan / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 1,250,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 1,204 meters
Sail Diameter: 1,295 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:
10 NAC/30
24 NAC/20
4 Barracuda-T
24 LB 10-X AC
18 Medium NPPC
40 Large Pulse Laser
40 Streak SRM 4
80 ER Medium Laser
16 Ultra AC/20
2 Medium N-Gauss
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==Overview:==
This text taken from the WW I ship by the same name I'll fluff this baby
out with a modernized version of this some day... maybe lol.
Though outwardly similar to the Moltke-class, SMS Seydlitz was built with a
longer but slimmer hull than SMS Moltke, with greater compartmentation and
armor - her belt armor was on par with contemporary battleships. A raised
forecastle made her a drier boat than her predecesors, but like them she
mounted the tried and true 280mm (11") gun in 50 caliber. By this time her
British adversaries were mounting 13.5"/45-cal guns, leaving SMS Seydlitz
undergunned for her size. At the Battle of Dogger Bank she took a pair of
shells aft that detonated near the aft two turrets, putting them out of action
and killing their crews. Only with prompt damage control was a catastrophic
explosion averted. In return SMS Seydlitz damaged HMS Lion so severely that
she had to be towed home. But the lesson was taken to heart by the entire
German Navy and improved ammunition handling procedures instituted to ensure
such a hit could not threaten an entire vessel. At Jutland SMS Seydlitz was in
the thick of it again, credited (with SMS Derfflinger) with sinking HMS Queen
Mary. And when Admiral Scheer ordered the "Death Charge" by the battlecruisers
to allow his main battlefleet to escape SMS Seydlitz was right there with the
rest of the Scouting Squadron - even though all five main gun turrets were out
of action. With hits from 21 shells 12" or larger and one torpedo, she limped
home with more than 5,300 TONS of water sloshing in her hull, to the extent
her bow had less than 2.5m (8 ft) of freeboard foreward when she pulled into
port.
After finishing her design the German navy finally got around to building
their battlecruisers in quantity instead of one's and two's while upgrading to
the 305mm (12")/50-cal gun, unfortunately by the time the first of the
Derfflinger-class had been commissioned, the war had begun.
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Class/Model/Name: Seydlitz
Mass: 1,250,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 300,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 25) 565,625.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 12,500.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 6) 92.00
Structural Integrity: 75 93,750.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3,200 Double 2,381.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 10,200.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 3,125.00
Fire Control Computers: 13,968.00
Food & Water: (500 days supply) 1,950.00
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (2,111 total armor pts) 1,875.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 391
Fore-Left/Right: 351/351
Aft-Left/Right: 351/351
Aft: 316
Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (25) with 2 doors 3,750.00
Fighters (25) with 2 doors 3,750.00
Bay 2: BattleMechs (15) with 2 doors 2,250.00
BattleMechs (15) with 2 doors 2,250.00
Bay 3: Cargo (1) with 5 doors 60,408.50
DropShip Capacity: 5 Docking Hardpoints 5,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (90-meter diameter) 100.00
Grav Decks #3 - 4: (150-meter diameter) 200.00
Grav Decks #5 - 6: (90-meter diameter) 100.00
Life Boats: 75 (7 tons each) 525.00
Escape Pods: 25 (7 tons each) 175.00
Crew and Passengers:
70 Officers (70 minimum) 700.00
250 Crew (225 minimum) 1,750.00
100 Gunners (92 minimum) 700.00
25 1st Class Passengers 250.00
100 2nd Class Passengers 700.00
75 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 525.00
160 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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2 NAC/30(100 rounds) Nose 60 60 60 -- 200 7,080.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) Nose 40 40 40 -- 120 5,040.00
1 Barracuda-T(15 msls) Nose 2 2 2 2 10 550.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) Nose 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 4 30.00
2 Medium NPPC Nose 18 18 18 18 270 3,600.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Nose 5(50) 5(50) 5(50) -- 50 30.00
5 Streak SRM 4(100 rounds) Nose 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 15 14.00
5 ER Medium Laser Nose 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 25 5.00
5 ER Medium Laser Nose 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 25 5.00
2 Ultra AC/20(60 rounds) Nose 6(60) 6(60) -- -- 28 36.00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds) FL/R 60 60 60 -- 400 14,160.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) FL/R 40 40 40 -- 240 10,080.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) FL/R 40 40 40 -- 240 10,080.00
1 Barracuda-T(15 msls) FL/R 2 2 2 2 20 1,100.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) FL/R 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 8 60.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) FL/R 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 8 60.00
2 Medium NPPC FL/R 18 18 18 18 540 7,200.00
2 Medium NPPC FL/R 18 18 18 18 540 7,200.00
5 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 5(50) 5(50) 5(50) -- 100 60.00
5 Streak SRM 4(100 rounds) FL/R 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 30 28.00
5 ER Medium Laser FL/R 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 50 10.00
5 ER Medium Laser FL/R 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 50 10.00
2 Ultra AC/20(60 rounds) FL/R 6(60) 6(60) -- -- 56 72.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) L/RBS 40 40 40 -- 240 10,080.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) L/RBS 40 40 40 -- 240 10,080.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) L/RBS 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 8 60.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) L/RBS 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 8 60.00
2 Medium NPPC L/RBS 18 18 18 18 540 7,200.00
2 Medium NPPC L/RBS 18 18 18 18 540 7,200.00
5 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 5(50) 5(50) 5(50) -- 100 60.00
5 Streak SRM 4(100 rounds) L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 30 28.00
5 ER Medium Laser L/RBS 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 50 10.00
5 ER Medium Laser L/RBS 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 50 10.00
2 Ultra AC/20(60 rounds) L/RBS 6(60) 6(60) -- -- 56 72.00
1 Medium N-Gauss(50 rounds)L/RBS 25 25 25 25 30 11,040.00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds) AL/R 60 60 60 -- 400 14,160.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) AL/R 40 40 40 -- 240 10,080.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) AL/R 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 8 60.00
5 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 5(50) 5(50) 5(50) -- 100 60.00
5 Streak SRM 4(100 rounds) AL/R 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 30 28.00
5 ER Medium Laser AL/R 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 50 10.00
5 ER Medium Laser AL/R 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 50 10.00
2 Ultra AC/20(60 rounds) AL/R 6(60) 6(60) -- -- 56 72.00
2 NAC/20(100 rounds) Aft 40 40 40 -- 120 5,040.00
1 Barracuda-T(15 msls) Aft 2 2 2 2 10 550.00
2 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds) Aft 1(12) 1(12) -- -- 4 30.00
5 Large Pulse Laser Aft 5(50) 5(50) 5(50) -- 50 30.00
5 Streak SRM 4(100 rounds) Aft 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 15 14.00
5 ER Medium Laser Aft 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 25 5.00
5 ER Medium Laser Aft 4(35) 4(35) -- -- 25 5.00
2 Ultra AC/20(60 rounds) Aft 6(60) 6(60) -- -- 28 36.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.50%) 18,750.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 6,132 1,250,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 20,376,854,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 286,504
Cost per BV: 71,122.41
Weapon Value: 150,212 (Ratio = .52)
Damage Factors: SRV = 10,945; MRV = 10,620; LRV = 7,415; ERV = 2,803
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 805,573
(116,775 Structure, 395,562 Life Support, 293,236 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 929,250 (115% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
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Blighted Sun Battalion
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Dorian Sukhanov
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 06:08 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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Thats really good ralgith, almost exactly what I had in mind. Sorry I did not clarify about the specifications on what I wanted, but ralgith has just about nailed it. Good firepower, good speed, and an ungodly amount of armor. Definently something I would feel safe with in a Naval Star. Great job Ralgith.
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ralgith
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 11:14 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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*blushes*
I just like to design ships. I've got several Star Wars and Andromeda conversions floating around this board and over on the HeavyMetal website.
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Dorian Sukhanov
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 15:10 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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Hehehe...Have you built a ship in the likness of the Bismarck Yet?
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Delta
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 16:50 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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Nice vessel Ralgith...
However, I find any missiles other than White Sharks or Kraken-Ts rather ineffective for my tastes. Again, another thing I think is that any naval gausses or PPCs other than heavy are a waste. Just personal prefernce.
Also, why the battlemechs?
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On 2005-11-01 15:10, Dorian Sukhanov wrote:
Hehehe...Have you built a ship in the likness of the Bismarck Yet?
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[shameless self-advertising]
Is this close enough?
[/shameless self advertising]
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Dorian Sukhanov
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 17:22 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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Not really what I had in mind, but a powerful vessel indeed. There is a lot of lasers on the thing, but I prefer to use Naval Autocannons. I cannot really explain it, but I prefer ballistic and missile weapons to lasers.
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Motown Scrapper
Clan Ice Hellions
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| Posted: 01-Nov-2005 22:28 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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Well after designing a bunch of corvette size warships I nutted out and designed the Montana Class Battleship.
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ralgith
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 02-Nov-2005 01:45 Post subject: RE: First Attempt, looks pretty good... whups all over a Nightlord. |
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On 2005-11-01 15:10, Dorian Sukhanov wrote:
Hehehe...Have you built a ship in the likness of the Bismarck Yet?
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Well... no.... but now I'm gonna have to. Dammit
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