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Talen
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 Posted: 07-May-2002 15:55 Post subject: mech stability |
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Again, as I already said to Talen a system does NOT have to be in a turn to become unstable. A mutlitude of systems become unstable just due to shear speed.
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And I want to know what one of those is! If I go place a F-1 car belt in a wind tunnel, and de-limit the engine, letting it runs at its ABSOLUTE maximum, the car would rip apart from sheer speed....it would not lose stability....a car loses stability when the tires stop getting traction due to major factors, one of them being too much air underneath the car, and not enough weight to keep the car down. A 'mech was 30,000lbs...its NOT going to have a problem staying stuck to the ground. If it is going to lose stability due to speed, put some flipped wings on the top...the faster it gets the more force will be pushing down, keeping the 'mech firmly planted to the ground.
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 16:31 Post subject: mech stability |
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On 2002-05-07 12:22, Gangrene wrote:
Also, do you really think a robot would ever be able to reach those speeds by actuation of the legs? I don't think so.
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Why not?
If there can be 100 ton bi-ped machines doing half the crap they're supposed to do I don't see anything in this game as being unbelievable 
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 19:11 Post subject: mech stability |
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And I want to know what one of those is!
I've already given you several examples: the train, motorcycle, trailer, AND car. Do you want me to email you the simplified equations of motion?
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 19:14 Post subject: mech stability |
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On 2002-05-07 16:31, chihawk wrote:
Why not?
If there can be 100 ton bi-ped machines doing half the crap they're supposed to do I don't see anything in this game as being unbelievable
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I guess you guys all think that aerospace fighters should be ornithopters as well, since you refuse to acknowledge that limb-based motion might have *gasp* limits.
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 19:26 Post subject: mech stability |
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I never said there wasn't limits. I just happen to think that the limits on what the limbs can do are already in place.
And why would aerospace fighters be like birds? I fail to see any connection (other than they both fly of course)
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 19:57 Post subject: mech stability |
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On 2002-05-07 19:26, chihawk wrote:
I never said there wasn't limits. I just happen to think that the limits on what the limbs can do are already in place.
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So far you have indicated that no limits are in place. As far as your arguments are concerned if a light can go mach2 then it should be allowed.
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And why would aerospace fighters be like birds? I fail to see any connection (other than they both fly of course)
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Why not have them fly like birds? You guys have repeatedly said that everything big and mechanical should work proportionally well to their smaller organic counter-parts, if not better.
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 20:15 Post subject: mech stability |
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On 2002-05-07 19:57, Gangrene wrote:
So far you have indicated that no limits are in place. As far as your arguments are concerned if a light can go mach2 then it should be allowed.
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Mechs are limited to as fast as their engines will move them. I have not yet an arguement that even comes close in proving there's any reason to lower their speed though modifiers or "rules".
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Why not have them fly like birds? You guys have repeatedly said that everything big and mechanical should work proportionally well to their smaller organic counter-parts, if not better.
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Be careful there, you may want to reread what I've posted before you include me in "you guys".
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| Posted: 07-May-2002 23:59 Post subject: mech stability |
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Why not have them fly like birds? You guys have repeatedly said that everything big and mechanical should work proportionally well to their smaller organic counter-parts, if not better.
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Well, actually the scale is way off. If a 2 meter tall man weighs 80 kilos then it would follow that a 10 meter tall man would weigh 400 kilos, and that's not what we are talking about at all. A Wasp would weight, what? 20,000 kilos?
On the organic thing, every wonder why aren't elephants faster? Well, first things first, they're faster than you probably give them credit for. Yes, they look slow and ponderous, but I guarantee you can't outrun one. Granted, that elephants don't run, they amble, since all of their feet aren't off the ground. The reason being is a failure of the materials. The elephant isn't constructed of materials strong enough to allow it to withstand the dynamic forces of running. The fantasy materials that allow the mech to exist in the first place (myomers!) allow it to exceed your perceived limitations. Maybe that mech will be able to go Mach 2, or even 3.
Once upon a time it was impossible for man to fly, or break the speed of sound, or orbit the earth, or go to the moon.
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 00:31 Post subject: mech stability |
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On 2002-05-07 23:59, Hardware wrote:
Well, actually the scale is way off. If a 2 meter tall man weighs 80 kilos then it would follow that a 10 meter tall man would weigh 400 kilos, and that's not what we are talking about at all.
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That's not what I'm talking about either. I was talking about structures of simliar proportion acting similarly even though their absolute scales are quite different.
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On the organic thing, every wonder why aren't elephants faster? . . . . The reason being is a failure of the materials. . . The fantasy materials that allow the mech to exist in the first place (myomers!) allow it to exceed your perceived limitations.
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First off, myomer isn't such a fantasy material. Just ask Ruger or Vampire. And maybe they won't exceed my perceived limitations.
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Maybe that mech will be able to go Mach 2, or even 3.
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. . . on back of an ornithopter weilding a laser sword. At this point I have stopped taking this discussion seriously.
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Once upon a time it was impossible for man to fly, or break the speed of sound, or orbit the earth, or go to the moon.
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It's still impossible to go swimming in lava, build a tower to the sun, or divide by zero.
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 00:35 Post subject: mech stability |
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chihawk said:
Mechs are limited to as fast as their engines will move them.
Uh, no their not. Supercharges anyone? This is an L3 rule for an L3 problem.
I have not yet an arguement that even comes close in proving there's any reason to lower their speed though modifiers or "rules."
So we're back to it being opinion. OK.
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 01:00 Post subject: mech stability |
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It's still impossible to go swimming in lava...
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It is? DAMMIT! There goes my entire trip to Hawaii next summer.
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 01:10 Post subject: mech stability |
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Well, maybe if you do it reeeal fast you'll just get a really good tan 
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 06:12 Post subject: mech stability |
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Last I checked superchargers are part of the engine, just purchased seperately.
You're staring to grasp at straws here Gg...
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 08:17 Post subject: mech stability |
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Talen, it's just mind over matter.....
Sir Henry, wonder what kind of flowers Talen would like in the Hospital......
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| Posted: 08-May-2002 09:44 Post subject: mech stability |
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Well, this conversation has been fun, pointless, but fun. But I really have to get back to work on my sun tower now.
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