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Vagabond
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 Posted: 29-Apr-2002 15:45 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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well heres my take:
munchy: maybe
illigeal: no
bannable: no
i disagree with cadet on making pulses unlinkable to TC's.
but, i do feel that clan pulses are way over powered. the clpl has twice the range of the islpl. this is were the true heart of the problem lies.
is pulses, when linked to a TC is nice, but you'll need speed to get into range to use it. you close to 10 hexes, an your preatty much fair game to all the weapons on the mech your targeting. c3, only helps IF the pulse/tc mech is not the closest mech.
another problem area is the weight. clan tc is 1t/5t weapons. which dosent look like much, TILL you put ballistic weapons behind it. to TC an ultra ac/5, you need 2t of TC. a guass 3t. so if you mounted dual guass, you'd need 5t of TC. thats as much as a madakari with 4 lpl's. but you've limited ammo and 10 less points of damage.
so to summaries the above, the tc is to light, because ballistics are to heavy.
oh, last note. where is it stated that tc's cannot be linked to machine guns?
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chihawk
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 15:57 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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This is one of those discussions where we're all wasting our breath...no one's opinion will ever be changed by what will be posted here.
That being said, as long as it remains civil people are welcome to rehash this topic as long as they wish 
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Karagin
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 17:25 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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C3 and Targ Can't work together or says Randal over at CBT...so having a TC on a mech doesn't gain it any advantages in a C3 Lance.
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ICER
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 17:26 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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is not the C3 unit just a close line comm system between mechs and the commander?
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Karagin
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 17:30 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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Yes, but it can also do the same job as the TAG unit. So it has some more functions then normal commo does.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 20:42 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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The Ares Convention has nothing on the use of Artilery against Mechs....
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Karagin
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 20:48 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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But given Master Jedi, that battles are not always fought in open fields, using artillery means taking the fates into hand and risking the undisputed fact that more then one round will hit a civilian structure or other such area.
That Master Jedi is forbidden by the ancient and wise document called the Ares Convention.
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 20:56 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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My question is are there many published mech designs that are pulse/TC combos. I don't think there are many. Therefore use only published mechs when you play and disregard the potential munchiness of it to begin with.
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CampingCarl
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 21:20 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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I have no problems with the TC/Pulse combo. The problem lies in that the equtiment used for the combination. Using the combo on an IS mech and most people won't complain. The short range counters it out. The Clan pulses have the range and the computer has the weight that make it too easy to exploit.
Also ICER isnt 3-4 regular for a Clanner?
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 21:26 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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Listen, young Padawan....Ares Convention left that artilery section out....
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Ruger
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| Posted: 29-Apr-2002 21:33 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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On 2002-04-29 17:25, Karagin wrote:
C3 and Targ Can't work together or says Randal over at CBT...so having a TC on a mech doesn't gain it any advantages in a C3 Lance.
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Better reread that thread...
Jerry Meander's original question:
"Can you use a C3 network for range bonus' and then tie in the advantage of a targeting computer? I.E. guass gets range of 6 from c3 network (short range) plus an additional -1 due to a target comp"
Randall's response:
"Yes."
You CAN use TC and C3 together and get the benefits for both systems...
Ruger
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Karagin
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| Posted: 30-Apr-2002 11:44 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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On 2002-04-29 21:33, Ruger wrote:
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On 2002-04-29 17:25, Karagin wrote:
C3 and Targ Can't work together or says Randal over at CBT...so having a TC on a mech doesn't gain it any advantages in a C3 Lance.
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Better reread that thread...
Jerry Meander's original question:
"Can you use a C3 network for range bonus' and then tie in the advantage of a targeting computer? I.E. guass gets range of 6 from c3 network (short range) plus an additional -1 due to a target comp"
Randall's response:
"Yes."
You CAN use TC and C3 together and get the benefits for both systems...
Ruger
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Funny later on in another C3 question he said the COULD NOT work together...so which is it?
But I forgot with the change in policy over at CBT the Moderators now answer rules questions and not Randal, so I am wrong and Ruger is right...unless Randal is wrong and the moderators are right or something like that.
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Gangrene
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| Posted: 30-Apr-2002 12:45 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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I don't find the Pulse/TC combo to be munchy. If your enemies can jump all over the place and generate 4 or greater mods, I see nothing wrong with using technology to compensate for that.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 30-Apr-2002 12:48 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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On 2002-04-29 21:26, Sir Henry wrote:
Listen, young Padawan....Ares Convention left that artilery section out....
Sir HEnry
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Great Wise and Old Young One, they did mention fighting around civilan areas and using artillery falls under that section.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 30-Apr-2002 13:05 Post subject: TC/Pulse= Munchy? |
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Funny later on in another C3 question he said the COULD NOT work together...so which is it?
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Please post a link to that particular message...I did a search and this was the best I could find...
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But I forgot with the change in policy over at CBT the Moderators now answer rules questions and not Randal, so I am wrong and Ruger is right...unless Randal is wrong and the moderators are right or something like that.
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Thank you for the sarcasm...I was merely trying to correct something that I believed was wrong based on what Randall has said before...if that is not welcome, thank for the notification...I will refrain from answering anything you post again...at least on this board...
Ruger
[ This Message was edited by: Ruger on 2002-04-30 13:10 ]
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