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 Posted: 11-Apr-2002 07:44 Post subject: I need help. |
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OK, chihawk and I had a little discussion about the Wraith and why it sucks to have one in your rear arc with a 1/2 pilot. I wondered aloud why TPTB hadn't come up with a varient that mounts a targeting computer in addition to the jump/pulse combo and he saif it was probably because they couldn't fit it in.
That got the old brain a turnin'.
So I worked something and came up with a design. Here is the problem: I don't have any of you fancy dancy computer programs, only pen, paper, and calculator. So I need someone to double check and make sure this design actually works as well as the costs and BV are correct. I have the fluff and crap all worked out, I just need to make sure it's legal before I formally post it. So don't look below if you wish to be unspoiled.
I'm serious. If you look below and are spoiled, don't come crying to me later.
Don't make me get the belt.
RPR-1 Rapier
Weight: 40 tons
Tech I.S. 3067
Engine: 280 XL
Walk:7
Run:11
Jump:7
Heat Sinks: 10[20]
Weapons: 1 LPL
2 MPL
TC
C3 Slave
Endo Steel Frame
7.5 tons Ferro Fiberous Armor
Head IS:3 AR:9
Crit 4: C3 Slave
CT IS: 12 AR: 19/4
Crit: 2-5 JJ
2-6 FFA
RT IS: 10 AR: 16/4
Crit: 1-1 XL
1-2: XL
1-3 XL:
1-4: TC
1-5: TC
1-6: TC
2-1: JJ
2-2: JJ
2-3: jj
2-4: FFA
2-5: FFA
2-6: FFA
LT IS: 10 AR: 16/4
Crits: 1-1: XL
1-2: XL
1-3: XL
1-4: JJ
1-5: JJ
1-6: JJ
2-1: ES
2-2: ES
2-3: ES
2-4: ES
2-5: ES
2-6: ES
RA IS: 6 AR: 12
No lower arm or hands
1-3: LPL
1-4: LPL
1-5: FFA
1-6: FFA
2-1: FFA
2-2: FFA
2-3: FFA
2-4: FFA
2-5: FFA
2-6: Empty
LA IS:6 AR:12
No lower arms or hands
1-3: MPL
1-4: MPL
1-5 FFA
1-6: ES
2-1: ES
2-2: ES
2-3: ES
2-4: ES
2-5: FFA
2-6: Empty
RL: IS: 10 FA:19
5: FFA
6: FFA
LL: IS: 10 FA: 19
5: ES
6: ES
Cost:8,584,333
BV:997 (C3:76)
Well that's it. Just let me know if everything fits and if my numbers are wrong. 'Preciate it y'all.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 07:56 Post subject: I need help. |
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HEre you go:
Type/Model: Rapier RPR-1
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 40 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 280 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets: 7 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 210 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Large Pulse Laser
2 Medium Lasers
1 C³ Slave Unit
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Rapier RPR-1
Mass: 40 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 67 pts Endo Steel 14 2.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 2 LA, 2 RA, 6 LT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine: 280 XL 12 8.00
Walking MP: 7
Running MP: 11
Jumping MP: 7
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt.: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA R: Sh+UA+LA 14 .00
Armor Factor: 134 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 7.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 5 LA, 5 RA, 3 RT, 1 CT)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 12 19
Center Torso (Rear): 4
L/R Side Torso: 10 16/16
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 6 12/12
L/R Leg: 10 19/19
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 7.00
2 Medium Lasers LA 6 2 2.00
1 C³ Slave Unit HD 0 1 1.00
1 Targeting Computer RT 3 3.00
7 Standard Jump Jets: 7 3.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 3 LT, 3 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 16 78 40.00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 7,752,734 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,124 (+89 for C³)
Cost per BV: 6,897.45
Weapon Value: 841 / 841 (Ratio = .75 / .75)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 17; MRDmg = 5; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 7J, Armor/Structure: 3/2
Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/-, Overheat: 0
Class: MM; Point Value: 11
Specials: c3s
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 07:58 Post subject: I need help. |
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How does not having lower arms affect it. My hange up is if I can't have hands I want flipping arms.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:01 Post subject: I need help. |
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I am not sure how that would effect things since the rules let you flip the arms as long as you don't have the bottom two...I liked the older way where is if ALL you had was just the shoulder acutator then you could flip the arms...makes more sense, but hey what do I know...
Also did you want MPLs on the mech or standard MLs?
The main list of weapons shows ML, which I went with, but the break down below shows MPL...
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:03 Post subject: I need help. |
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It should be MPL. I fxed it.
I just ask because I saw in your thing that the shoulder, Upper arms and lower arms were listed and I did not want the lower arms at all. Just upper and shoulder. I wasn't sure if it changed the BV or cost.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:06 Post subject: I need help. |
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If you go with MPLs you go over weight have to lose armor or something...I can drop the Lower Arm Acts with out a problem, freeing up two spaces over all.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:08 Post subject: I need help. |
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how much over? If I'm adding right (and God knows I went into history because it was as far from math as I could get) I should be right at 40 tons.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:11 Post subject: I need help. |
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According to HMPro you are two (2) tons over weight if you go with MPLs...plus you are now at 25 total heat with all weapons fired and running or jumping.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:18 Post subject: I need help. |
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The heat I had right, I just gave it the wrong weight for the LPL. I gave it 5 tons instead of 7. I was distracted by Miami Vice at 330.
Make it a ERLL.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:27 Post subject: I need help. |
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Okay will do...and here is the new version:
Type/Model: Rapier RPR-1
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 40 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 280 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets: 7 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 210 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 ER Large Laser
2 Medium Pulse Lasers
1 C³ Slave Unit
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Rapier RPR-1
Mass: 40 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 67 pts Endo Steel 14 2.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 2 LA, 2 RA, 6 LT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine: 280 XL 12 8.00
Walking MP: 7
Running MP: 11
Jumping MP: 7
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt.: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 134 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 7.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 5 LA, 5 RA, 3 RT, 1 CT)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 12 19
Center Torso (Rear): 4
L/R Side Torso: 10 16/16
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 6 12/12
L/R Leg: 10 19/19
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER Large Laser RA 12 2 5.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers LA 8 2 4.00
1 C³ Slave Unit HD 0 1 1.00
1 Targeting Computer RT 3 3.00
7 Standard Jump Jets: 7 3.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 3 LT, 3 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 20 76 40.00
Crits & Tons Left: 2 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 7,838,134 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,188 (+109 for C³)
Cost per BV: 6,597.76
Weapon Value: 788 / 788 (Ratio = .66 / .66)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 17; MRDmg = 7; LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2: MP: 7J, Armor/Structure: 3/2
Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/1, Overheat: 0
Class: MM; Point Value: 12
Specials: c3s
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:28 Post subject: I need help. |
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Thanks.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 08:34 Post subject: I need help. |
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Anytime.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 12:46 Post subject: I need help. |
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Why would you want to change the Wraith? It is a great mech. If by clan standards.
It has range,speed,jump, and minuses to hit. everything a good polit needs to grow to elite status
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 13:31 Post subject: I need help. |
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On 2002-04-11 12:46, ICER wrote:
Why would you want to change the Wraith? It is a great mech. If by clan standards.
It has range,speed,jump, and minuses to hit. everything a good polit needs to grow to elite status
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Skiping the Clan part, most folks think it's to heavy for what it does. Those folks feel a medium mech can do the same job as the heavier Wraith does for less cost over all...personally I have only faced a Wraith three times and in two of those fights the Wraith either was capped from a hit shot or got tangled up with another heavy for most of the game.
The last time, the person running the Wraith was not familar with it and tried to take on a Battlemaster it wasn't pretty and my BM took a beating...but I beat the mech. Still Cadet's mech is a nice addtion to the game and could do a fine job of giving the Wraith a run for it's money.
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 14:45 Post subject: I need help. |
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And if you're going to make a true variant of the Wraith, it would have to be the same weight. Making a 40 ton 'mech and calling it a variant isn't accurate. The Wraith may have been your inspiration, but a 40 tonner is not a variant.
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