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True, but the IS wil reverse engineer the Clans Equipment and Voila', IS made Clan weapons. Trade would be unnecessary.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 11:48 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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What I meant was each state having a standard mech or two per weight class.
Davion would be:
Light: Valkyrie or Javelin
Medium: Centurion or Enforcer
Heavy: Jagermech or
Assault: Victor
And so on. Add in the 14 Original Unseens as common to everyone,, and have the occasional odd mech in a unit. Mercs would have more of the odd mechs due to contracts and salvage.
Periodically phase in new equipment. Have common equipment like the same missle launcher manufacturers for all mechs in that state.
Just having so mnay designs would be an absolute nightmare for quartermaster and ordenance people.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 17:35 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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ok lets take a look at todays naval airforce.I'm using this as an example because of my experence. we have the
1.F-14 tomcat- long range air superiority
2.F/A-18 hornet- Short range air superiority and ground attack capability
3.A-6 Intruder- Ground attack capability( being phased out)
4.KA-6 Intruder- Arieal refueling
6.S-3 Viking- Carier based antisubmarine warfare
7.EA-6B Prowler- Electronics Countermeasures
8.HL-3 (don't remember what the name is)SAR,ASW,and transport
9. E-2 Hawkeye- carrier based radar and attack coordinator
i could go on but i think you get my point. you need different mechs to do different tasks. if Davion just had those mechs that you mentioned then the Fed Suns would have falled long ago
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 18:03 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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Ok, let's look at the US Army
Tanks: M1A2
IFV: M2
CFV: M3
M113 for the basis of a ton of vehicles
Hummer Basis for a ton of vehicles)
5 vehicles do all the Army's fighting.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 18:11 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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what the differance between them?
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 18:29 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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1 main battle tank
1 infantry fighting vehicle that has a scout version so you get two vehicles out of one...
the family of vehicles based on the M113 chassis is numerous and covers everything from Air Defnese to ammo hauler.
The HMMVEE is the wheeled version more or less as far as role and useage of the M113.
Thus the logistical load is cut down a lot. I am 88M for the Army, I haul ammo, food, fuel etc...with a standard grouping vehicles and weapons systems I don't have to worry about group D getting group D's spare parts since all of the parts are more or less usable on through out the units I will be visiting as I deleiver supplies. Thus my job is 10x easiers and I am not out on the road as a target more then I need to be...
The idea that FASA gave the Inner Sphere well over 300+ mechs and vehicles means that some quatermaster is having a heart attack on some world because he can't keep all the request for spare parts and ammo straight, it's not like the acuators on a Stinger can be used on an Atlas...
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 18:40 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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That's the point I was trying (and failing) to make.
A dozen aircraft with distinctive roles is one thing. 300 mechs is something else.
It wouldn't be so bad if these mechs at least had common design characteristics. Say stock joint actuators for each class. (e.g. the knees on a Warhammer can be used on an Archer) or every LRM 20 in the Draconis Combine was the same model, but there is no way a quatermaster or ordinence officer in BattleTech could remain sane at the end of a day.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 18:51 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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On 2002-03-19 18:29, Karagin wrote:
1 main battle tank
1 infantry fighting vehicle that has a scout version so you get two vehicles out of one...
the family of vehicles based on the M113 chassis is numerous and covers everything from Air Defnese to ammo hauler.
The HMMVEE is the wheeled version more or less as far as role and useage of the M113.
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I think i've made my point
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 19:00 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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On 2002-03-19 18:40, Cadet wrote:
That's the point I was trying (and failing) to make.
A dozen aircraft with distinctive roles is one thing. 300 mechs is something else.
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No not really, Karagin also tried to explain it as well when he told us what the different tanks do in the army. let me try this: would you use an Archer to shoot down aircraft or would you use a rifleman?
I myself would use the rifleman because a rifleman can do what the archer can't and vice versa so to try and cover both contingicies you need both and let the supply guys worry about that
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 19:07 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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You said you need specialized mechs. I pointed out that the Army disagrees and uses the same chassis for many roles only varying the equipment.
Need a scout carrier, use the M3. Need to carry infantry, use the M2. Same basic vehicle with just slight differences. The Army didn't think it needed two special built vehicles for that. The jobs are very different, but the vehicles are adaptable and open ended. That's the difference. A mech built to be a scout can pretty much only be a scout. But that mech that is a jack of all trade, that can be a scout today and bust up bunkers tomorrow is more of an assest.
I guess it just depends on how fixed to doctrine you want your forces. If you want them to be bound by a book, with specific roles for everything, then multiudes of equipment is what you'll want. But if you want flexibility, then go with a very small number of types of units.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 19:40 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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On 2002-03-19 17:35, pinkfloyd214 wrote:
ok lets take a look at todays naval airforce.I'm using this as an example because of my experence. we have the
1.F-14 tomcat- long range air superiority
2.F/A-18 hornet- Short range air superiority and ground attack capability
3.A-6 Intruder- Ground attack capability( being phased out)
4.KA-6 Intruder- Arieal refueling
6.S-3 Viking- Carier based antisubmarine warfare
7.EA-6B Prowler- Electronics Countermeasures
8.HL-3 (don't remember what the name is)SAR,ASW,and transport
9. E-2 Hawkeye- carrier based radar and attack coordinator
i could go on but i think you get my point. you need different mechs to do different tasks. if Davion just had those mechs that you mentioned then the Fed Suns would have falled long ago
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Note Pinky that is to many planes. Also note some are variants of the same chasis. One thing people are forgetting is these machines can last a long time. So what was once a standard state mech is now phased out but bunches are still around. Alkl in all though Mercs should have tons of designs and main line units would be restricted. Militias could fall inbetween as they get main line units and keep the really old stuff running.
An Arm acuator for a Awesome does not work for a Zues.... imagine if you have 4 other 80 tonners in your standard arsenal. Do not forget all the other fun stuff. Do not give me that crap it is all interchangeable. I will give adjustable but not one for one.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 19:55 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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AWAD you are right about mechs lasting awhile. that was a point i forgot about.
However when i was in the navy the F14 could not do bombing ops very well but they also took recon photos (well, those so equiped, but we have yet to develop an aircraft that can do it all effectivly so we need them
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 20:02 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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>>I myself would use the rifleman because a rifleman can do what the archer can't and vice versa so to try and cover both contingicies you need both and let the supply guys worry about that <
Or go with a stock chassis with one varient to be fire support and another to be Anti-Aircraft. Spare parts for one will work on the other simplifiying repairs and logistics.
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 20:14 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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which is how my game works. You have one basic chassis, the Core, and you can then add the mission specific stuff to it as you need. Each Core can support a various number of weapons (i.e. the Warthog VTOL in my game has a missile support, infantry carrier, gunship, and attack varient). This is different from omni tech because you just can't change one or two weapons, you would have to take off the entire varient and put a new one on (takes a factory or at the very least, a very well stocked garage), but the Core stays the same, and always will!
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| Posted: 19-Mar-2002 20:19 Post subject: Overflowing with mechs |
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yes you can do that now but thity years ago you couldn't
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