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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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 Posted: 30-Sep-2002 00:39 Post subject: Armor Class Carrier |
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Class/Model/Name: Armor Class Carrier Armor
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 470,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 425 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:
10 NL55
160 Small Laser
140 ER Large Laser
140 ER PPC
140 LRM 20+ArtIV
140 Gauss Rifle
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Class/Model/Name: Armor Class Carrier Armor
Mass: 470,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 141,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 11) 212,675.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F) .00
Structural Integrity: 120 56,400.00
Total Heat Sinks: 576 Double .00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 5,100.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 1,175.00
Fire Control Computers: 7,246.00
Food & Water: (346 days supply) 1,016.00
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (1,200 total armor pts) 1,128.00
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 220
Fore-Left/Right: 200/200
Aft-Left/Right: 200/200
Aft: 180
Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (96) with 4 doors 14,400.00
Bay 2: Small Craft (20) with 4 doors 4,000.00
Bay 3: Cargo (1) 2,075.00
DropShip Capacity: 4 Docking Hardpoints 4,000.00
Life Boats: 98 (7 tons each) 686.00
Escape Pods: 2 (7 tons each) 14.00
Crew and Passengers:
50 Officers (49 minimum) 500.00
116 Crew (89 minimum) 812.00
130 Gunners (130 minimum) 910.00
292 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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2 NL55 Nose 11 11 11 11 170 2,200.00
20 Small Laser Nose 6(60) -- -- -- 20 10.00
2 NL55 FL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
20 ER Large Laser FL/R 16(160)16(160)16(160) -- 480 200.00
20 ER PPC FL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 600 280.00
20 Small Laser FL/R 6(60) -- -- -- 40 20.00
20 LRM 20+ArtIV(204 rounds)FL/R 32(320)32(320)32(320) -- 240 508.00
20 Gauss Rifle(200 rounds) FL/R 30(300)30(300)30(300) -- 40 650.00
20 ER Large Laser L/RBS 16(160)16(160)16(160) -- 480 200.00
20 ER PPC L/RBS 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 600 280.00
20 Small Laser L/RBS 6(60) -- -- -- 40 20.00
20 LRM 20+ArtIV(204 rounds)L/RBS 32(320)32(320)32(320) -- 240 508.00
20 Gauss Rifle(200 rounds) L/RBS 30(300)30(300)30(300) -- 40 650.00
2 NL55 AL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
20 ER Large Laser AL/R 16(160)16(160)16(160) -- 480 200.00
20 ER PPC AL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 600 280.00
20 Small Laser AL/R 6(60) -- -- -- 40 20.00
20 LRM 20+ArtIV(204 rounds)AL/R 32(320)32(320)32(320) -- 240 508.00
20 Gauss Rifle(200 rounds) AL/R 30(300)30(300)30(300) -- 40 650.00
20 ER Large Laser Aft 16(160)16(160)16(160) -- 240 100.00
20 ER PPC Aft 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 300 140.00
20 Small Laser Aft 6(60) -- -- -- 20 10.00
20 LRM 20+ArtIV(204 rounds)Aft 32(320)32(320)32(320) -- 120 254.00
20 Gauss Rifle(200 rounds) Aft 30(300)30(300)30(300) -- 20 325.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 5,770 470,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 7,541,820,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 69,478
Cost per BV: 108,549.76
Weapon Value: 108,302 (Ratio = 1.56)
Damage Factors: SRV = 1,444; MRV = 1,090; LRV = 460; ERV = 32
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 430,422
(133,924 Structure, 191,668 Life Support, 104,830 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 340,098 (79% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
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Karagin
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| Posted: 21-Oct-2005 11:28 Post subject: RE: Armor Class Carrier |
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Okay thought I would bump this one for some comments from some of the newier people...
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Delta
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 23-Oct-2005 11:11 Post subject: RE: Armor Class Carrier |
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Hm, nice little carrier. I like. Im guessing it name comes from max armor for its size? Or for that matter, more than most canon battlecruisers? 
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Karagin
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| Posted: 23-Oct-2005 18:18 Post subject: RE: Armor Class Carrier |
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Well no...it's a reference to a cartoon/RPG that had two similar ships in it.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 23-Oct-2005 18:48 Post subject: RE: Armor Class Carrier |
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i have several issues with this design:
1] It has to many Fighters and not enough Cargo. An IS Aerospace Regiment with Command Lances is only 60 Fighters. I would suggest reducing you Fighters to 60 and split them between to Bays of 30. Also, I would split your doors up with 3 doors on each Fighter Bay and 2 on the Small Craft Bay. This will leave you 5,400 tons to play around with.
2] As a Carrier you will spend most of your time in flight opperations and not in combat manuvers. Even then, you'll likely be escorted. As such, your vessel moves abit to fast for my tastes as a Carrier. Slow it down to 4/6. This frees up 28,503 tons to play with.
3] Your weapon selection and Layout. I suggest a total revamp of the layout. First, place 20 ERLL, 20 ERPPC, 20 SL, 20 LRM20w/ArtIV, and 20 Guass in the Nose, Broadsides, and Aft. Second, you should place 4 NL55 in For-Sides and 2 NL55 Aft-Sides. This free up 6,043 tons.
4] A pet pieve of mine, your weapon bay groupings. For goodness sakes PLEASE break up those bays. Every energy weapon should be placed in a Quad Turret and every Ballistic and Missile into a Twin Turret. This will use 44 tons because of ammo requirements, which is my next point.
5] You do not have nearly enough ammunition for a Warship. Every ammo using weapon should have ATLEAST IMHO 20 rounds per gun. Myself, I usually do 60 to 80 rounds per gun. If you place 120 rounds [60 per gun] in each Ballistic/Missile turret it will use 1,020 tons.
6] Your heat sinks are so none existent as to be funny. If your gonna build a warship with an HPG and Lamellor Ferro-Carbide then you better make certain you can fire your defensive gear. Add 1,334 DHS which uses 1,334 tons.
7] You have NO spare parts. As a combat vessel, you should have atleast 1 percent of your mass. however, i recommend 2. This uses 9,400 tons.
8] You have no grav decks. In order to maintain a healthy crew, you must have Grav decks. I recommend 2 150m grav decks and 4 75m grav decks. This uses 400 tons.
9] Marines, you have no marines on this Carrier, which is a must. I usually do about 10 percent of the crew. In this case about 50 marines, which uses 250 tons.
10] Minor adjustments on stuff.
Crew: you can manipulate the numbers abit, my suggestion is 50 officers, 150 crew, 80 gunners.
Guests: as a carrier, you are a command ship and there will always be visitors. I suggest 10 1st class and 20 2nd class.
Food: add 44 tons to give a 1 year supply with new crew number.
Escape Systems: as a combat craft, you do not need and will rairly see a 100 percent coverage. Crew will die in combat. In addition, 140 crew members are Fighters and Small Craft pilots. Then add in that Small Craft typically can carry passangers, you hardly need 100 percent coverage. i suggest 50 systems [48 boat and 2 pod.]
All of this frees up 179 tons for use.
11] Last but certainly not least, cargo space for Fighters and Small Craft. It has become the established standard to allocate 200 tons of cargo space to each Fighter and Small Craft on a Carrier. The total is 16,000 tons of cargo, which i suggest be placed in each Fighter and Small Craft bay as required, which would be 6,000 tons per Fighter Bay and 4,000 tons for the Small Craft Bay. This means you now have 4 cargo bays: 2 at 6,000 tons, 1 at 4,000 tons, and 1 at 2,075 tons; and none of them has a single door. I suggest 2 per bay. You gotta be able to move that cargo about.
After all of these suggested changes you are left with 11,217 tons to play with. I suggest a LF Battery, another cargo bay with 2,075 tons and 2 doors, and using the rest to manipulate SI and Armor [SI 129 and Armor 1,213 tons.]
This will leave you a measily 126 tons of cargo that should be placed in parts or as cargo in the two main bays raising them both from 2,075 tons to 2,138 tons. Either is good.
Here is the version I suggest:
AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Armor Class Carrier
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 470,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 425 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:
80 ER PPC
80 ER Large Laser
80 Gauss Rifle
80 LRM 20+ArtIV
80 Small Laser
12 NL55
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Class/Model/Name: Armor Class Carrier
Mass: 470,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 112,800.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 11) 212,675.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 4,700.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F) .00
Structural Integrity: 129 60,630.00
Total Heat Sinks: 1,910 Double 1,391.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 5,100.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 1,175.00
Fire Control Computers: 1,500.00
Food & Water: (366 days supply) 1,060.00
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (1,291 total armor pts) 1,213.00
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 237
Fore-Left/Right: 215/215
Aft-Left/Right: 215/215
Aft: 194
Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (30) with 3 doors 4,500.00
Cargo (1) with 2 doors 6,000.00
Bay 2: Fighters (30) with 3 doors 4,500.00
Cargo (1) with 2 doors 6,000.00
Bay 3: Small Craft (20) with 2 doors 4,000.00
Cargo (1) with 2 doors 4,000.00
Bay 4: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 2,138.00
Bay 5: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 2,138.00
DropShip Capacity: 4 Docking Hardpoints 4,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (150-meter diameter) 200.00
Grav Decks #3 - 6: (75-meter diameter) 200.00
Life Boats: 48 (7 tons each) 336.00
Escape Pods: 2 (7 tons each) 14.00
Crew and Passengers:
50 Officers (46 minimum) 500.00
150 Crew (89 minimum) 1,050.00
80 Gunners (79 minimum) 560.00
10 1st Class Passengers 100.00
20 2nd Class Passengers 140.00
50 Marines 250.00
220 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER Large Laser Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
4 Small Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
2 NL55 FL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
2 NL55 FL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 ER Large Laser L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 90.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 24 84.00
4 Small Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
4 Small Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
4 Small Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
4 Small Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
4 Small Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
2 NL55 AL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 ER Large Laser Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 45.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
2 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft 3(32) 3(32) 3(32) -- 12 42.00
4 Small Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
4 Small Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 4 2.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (2.00%) 9,400.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 3,820 470,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 16,680,168,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 126,724
Cost per BV: 131,625.96
Weapon Value: 99,004 (Ratio = .78)
Damage Factors: SRV = 4,418; MRV = 3,436; LRV = 1,566; ERV = 191
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 389,798
(141,250 Structure, 163,068 Life Support, 85,480 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 327,490 (84% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
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