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Gunslinger Patch
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 Posted: 30-Jun-2002 04:20 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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The reason I would go back to the old tech for a while is because there is just too much tech as it is. I can stun the newbies by rattling off names and quick fluff and tech stats for many mechs and weapons, but neither I nor anyone else I bet can do that anymore for every mech and every weapon. Hell, I still don't know what the hell an ATM3 is and I have a TRO 3067.
There are so many reaking weapons to know of or have used on you already that nobody can keep up with the stats for them in their heads any more. We got this laser, that laser, UberLaser mark XXXVII, Extended rotating pulsating jet action wide angle lense automatic light sensing flash laser.
Just like with the mechs, just how many new names can we keep hearing with each new TRO before all the new names just turn into gibberish?
It is often said that Btech has become a game hard for the newbies to enter since it calls for so much arcane lore to understand the universe. Going back to lowtech for a few years could change that, as it was in the beginning.
My first taste was the 2nd edition box set, the first one actually called Battletech and not Battledroids. There were several mechs for each weight class, and a slim rulebook with some nicely arranged basic rules and some fiction fluff to get you interested. That is what we need to get a new flood of newbies.
We don't need 20 kinds of laser and ten kinds of dice, that would give the newbies a headache.
New tech can enter gradually as the fiction plot progresses, or it can simply be lostech that only a lucky few possess like what Star League tech was meant to be before they pushed everything into the Clans. Instead just start off at the beginning again, heavy, med, and light laser, PPC, AC2-5-10-20, LRM5-10-15-20, etc.
Bring back the days when heat meant problems, when at least half the mechs in the universe were light mechs. When a heavy mech was a scary thing to see coming at you since only 15% or so of mechs were heavy and only 5% were assault.
The Black Widow Company was a scary thing, remember? That Warhammer was scary because there were only 3 heavies in the whole company, also 3 mediums and 6 lights. the other 2 officers were both riding light mechs.
How long has it been since we saw a major character out there kicking but in a light mech? Was Phelan Kell the last one?
I say again, keep the dice and bring back that old tech for a time.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 09:49 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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On 2002-06-30 04:20, Gunslinger Patch wrote:
tech stats for many mechs and weapons, but neither I nor anyone else I bet can do that anymore for every mech and every weapon. Hell, I still don't know what the hell an ATM3 is and I have a TRO 3067.
There are so many reaking weapons to know of or have used on you already that nobody can keep up with the stats for them in their heads any more.
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Only because I don't have the 3067 TRO yet... 
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Bring back the days when heat meant problems, when at least half the mechs in the universe were light mechs. When a heavy mech was a scary thing to see coming at you since only 15% or so of mechs were heavy and only 5% were assault.
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Actually, light 'Mechs were NEVER half of the forces seen...more like 35%...MEDIUM 'Mechs had the 50% spot, with Heavies being around 15% and Assaults less then 1% (mileage may vary depending on the nation you are in)...
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The Black Widow Company was a scary thing, remember? That Warhammer was scary because there were only 3 heavies in the whole company, also 3 mediums and 6 lights. the other 2 officers were both riding light mechs.
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Which version of the Black Widow Company did you see this in?
Oh, the Wolf's Dragoons sourcebook, right after Crossing, when the Dragoons were really hurting for 'Mechs, and right before they were expanded to Battalion size...most other times they had about 6 heavies and the other 6 were split evenly between mediums and lights...
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How long has it been since we saw a major character out there kicking but in a light mech? Was Phelan Kell the last one?
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Well...Dan Allard for another...no others spring immediately to mind...but really, unit commanders shouldn't be in light 'Mechs...minimum should be a high end medium, just for the survival factor...
While I am teaching a couple guys the game starting with only level 1 rules, that is no longer the game to everyone, and quite frankly, I like alot of the new stuff...I would enjoy sourcebooks on the older periods though...
Ruger
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Karagin
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 12:03 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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On 2002-06-30 09:49, Ruger wrote:
level 1 rules, that is no longer the game to everyone,
Ruger
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Prove this please...other wise it's an opinion and not everyone falls into this, plus how about listing everyone...as well.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 12:37 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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On 2002-06-30 12:03, Karagin wrote:
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On 2002-06-30 09:49, Ruger wrote:
level 1 rules, that is no longer the game to everyone,
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Prove this please...other wise it's an opinion and not everyone falls into this, plus how about listing everyone...as well.
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What? I said that level 1 is not the game for everyone...why should I have to prove this?
Ok, here...ME...I have a fondness for level 2 games...there, I've proved that level 1 only isn't right for everyone, as I said in my previous post...satisfied?
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Karagin
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 12:59 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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Where did you say it's not for all you? You said that Level 1 is not for all, and I asked you to prove that.
Amazing how you can demand someone prove something but when you are asked to you get all huffy puffy, to quote my 5 year old cousin...
Interesting.
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MEX
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 13:19 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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Heck, we still use 3025 most of the time anyways. We just buy the new stuff to complement our collections. |
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For me CBT ends with the appearance of the Clans in the BT Universe !
Anything between 3050 and 3130 is just a abomination. I am glad that this intermezzo is over now and i hope that WizKid is able to revive the good old spirit of BattleTech with their MechWarrior: Dark Age.
But that i don't like the technology between 3050 and 3130 doesnt mean that i dont use it. As most of the players in my area intend to play with it, i am using it too as the alternative would be stopping to play BT entirely.
MfG, MEX
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Gunslinger Patch
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 19:09 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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It isn't that I don't like the new tech, my own personal empire is teched to the gills. But I think that for purposes of making money the new weapons and TROs full of new mechs were cranked out too often.
To be sure, at the time no one at FASA were likely thinking about how long a good game could live, since even D&D had not yet been passed from one generation to the next yet. Certainly father's teaching it to their kids was not what they were thinking of.
By starting over fresh again that longevity factor can be taken into account and getting written or newteched into a corner could be avoided. The old TRO 2750 is a good example of what I am getting at. That was not mechs that anyone was building, but stuff you found in caches and advanced weapons you could use for only as long as the spare parts or crates of special ammo held out. You might see an orphan Star League mech from the 3025 or 2750 still mobile here and there and rarely with Star League tech still on it. But most of the mechs you fought with or against were those the House could build or buy from some other House, only a few dozen designs in total.
Bringing in newtech could be done like it was in the 2750. Stuff you could use or not use as you wished but would in any case be rare. "TRO 3100 Lost Davion Battlemechs, Vehicles, and Technology". "TRO 3105 Lost Clan Tech."
The collecting aspect sucked me in too and I often find myself wishing there were not so many mechs to collect. I want at least two of every mech and a lance of every vehicle. But at the same time I also want a dozen each of a number of favorite minis and I could easily want to have whole companys and even battalions of certain vehicles. And until I win the lottery there is not the money to have it both ways. And the longer I take to get my 2 of each, the more money it will take to buy more of the older favorites.
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| Posted: 30-Jun-2002 20:18 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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On 2002-06-30 12:59, Karagin wrote:
Where did you say it's not for all you? You said that Level 1 is not for all, and I asked you to prove that.
Amazing how you can demand someone prove something but when you are asked to you get all huffy puffy, to quote my 5 year old cousin...
Interesting.
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I think it's interesting you're asking Ruger to prove something that's obvious. Playing level 1 isn't everyone's cup of tea. One needs to do nothing more that look at the general direction of discussions on the messageboards you visit.
Do you have something that says it is what everyone likes to play?
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Karagin
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| Posted: 01-Jul-2002 01:49 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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On 2002-06-30 20:18, chihawk wrote:
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On 2002-06-30 12:59, Karagin wrote:
Where did you say it's not for all you? You said that Level 1 is not for all, and I asked you to prove that.
Amazing how you can demand someone prove something but when you are asked to you get all huffy puffy, to quote my 5 year old cousin...
Interesting.
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I think it's interesting you're asking Ruger to prove something that's obvious. Playing level 1 isn't everyone's cup of tea. One needs to do nothing more that look at the general direction of discussions on the messageboards you visit.
Do you have something that says it is what everyone likes to play?
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No that is what he is saying, and I do like how folks rush to his defense...how about letting him fight his own battles.
But as I have seen that won't happen oh well...all is interesting. So moving on...
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Mordel
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| Posted: 01-Jul-2002 07:27 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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Karagin, you are becoming quite annoying. You seem to pick fights over the stupidest of things! I don't even know why you started this Level 1 thing. Heck, level one is NOT for everyone. Proving that he is the only one that chooses to play other levels is idiotic. So do us all a favor, and kindly shut up.
(That was me being less politically correct then I should be, so take the hint)
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No that is what he is saying, and I do like how folks rush to his defense...how about letting him fight his own battles.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 01-Jul-2002 07:53 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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Either that isn't the Real Mordel, or you've pissed him off.....Amazing.....
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chihawk
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| Posted: 01-Jul-2002 08:02 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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No, I think the correct word is...interesting. 
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Black_Phoenix
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| Posted: 01-Jul-2002 13:39 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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Hey, Chihawk. Are there any precautions to know when the boss-man gets mad? Should I find the nearest hole and hide, or should I just keep my mouth shut (I know I am asking for it with that last one)?
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chihawk
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| Posted: 01-Jul-2002 21:19 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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To be honest B_P, I don't know...I have never seen Mordel angry.
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Mordel
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| Posted: 02-Jul-2002 10:03 Post subject: I was wrong about Stackpole, et al. |
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Very few people have seen me angry. When I was younger, I used to always be picked to play on football teams with local neighborhood kids. Then they would piss me off purpose so I'd get all psycho and run over people. But that was a long time ago. I'm much more level-headed now, and extremely difficult to get mad. So if you do get me mad, my best advice would be to just keep quiet for a bit until I cool off. 
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