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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Don't forget that for those 2 tons you also get a seat, sealed compartment for the pilot, life support, command consoles etc. So it seems to me that you can still climb in the drone and drive it yourself. All of this could be connected directly and be even smaller IMO. This way it feels like you are installing robot hands to guide standard control sticks and a camera to watch the displays that show what's on cameras outside. If there was just single Drone Cockpit item and not Small Cockpit + Drone Control System it would have felt more natural. Just saying. |
I agree.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 06:50 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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Hmmm... makes me think when we'll se an AI module that will change standard battlemechs to warrior's companions able to act independently. Kore akin to K.I.T.T. from Knight Rider. Not that I'm looking forward to this.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 11:02 Post subject: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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Ah, ok.
I thought the Drone Cockpit would somehow replace the Drone OP.
That happens when you only skim through the stats 
As all drones have full cockpit/control equipment i supposed them to be controllable by normal pilots/crews too.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 12:12 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Hmmm... makes me think when we'll se an AI module that will change standard battlemechs to warrior's companions able to act independently. Kore akin to K.I.T.T. from Knight Rider. Not that I'm looking forward to this. |
Isn't that what a Robotic Cockpit does? I haven't implemented that yet so haven't read the rules. But I had assumed that gave the BattleMech an AI not needing human intervention.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 14:56 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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Where does that come from? I haven't noticed this gadget anywhere yet.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 14:58 Post subject: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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A waste of space on some expendable units IMO.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 15:17 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Where does that come from? I haven't noticed this gadget anywhere yet. |
Interstellar Players 2: Jihad Conspiracies, page 124:
| wrote: | Just one step removed from the fully autonomous robotic
control systems used by the Star League’s Caspar-class drones,
robotic control systems are actually a rare, automated form of
the basic remote drone control systems that are still used in
the 31st century. Using sophisticated “smart” programming to
simulate artificial intelligence, but designed for simple tasks,
robotic control systems completely lack a human component,
and rely entirely on their own on-board sensors for input. This
makes them susceptible to ECM, while their rigid programming
often leaves them unable to adapt to changing environments.
Despite this, many firms still produce robotic control systems for
the civilian and industrial sectors, but few military commands
employ robotics when remote-controlled drones are cheaper
and easier to deploy. |
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 15:33 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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Ah, I haven't read those really.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 18:59 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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| Mordel wrote: | | Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Where does that come from? I haven't noticed this gadget anywhere yet. |
Interstellar Players 2: Jihad Conspiracies, page 124:
| wrote: | Just one step removed from the fully autonomous robotic
control systems used by the Star League’s Caspar-class drones,
robotic control systems are actually a rare, automated form of
the basic remote drone control systems that are still used in
the 31st century. Using sophisticated “smart” programming to
simulate artificial intelligence, but designed for simple tasks,
robotic control systems completely lack a human component,
and rely entirely on their own on-board sensors for input. This
makes them susceptible to ECM, while their rigid programming
often leaves them unable to adapt to changing environments.
Despite this, many firms still produce robotic control systems for
the civilian and industrial sectors, but few military commands
employ robotics when remote-controlled drones are cheaper
and easier to deploy. | |
Can that be combined with a Drone OS to allow outside programing or autonomous operations?
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 22:17 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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| Vagabond wrote: |
Can that be combined with a Drone OS to allow outside programing or autonomous operations? |
That's a good question. Your essentially asking if you can put a Drone OS in it, to allow for someone to control it remotely, or give it the option of running on it's own?
Jihad: Final Reckoning also lists these rules again, but in it there is a note that says "Robotic drone control systems cannot be combined with
Small Cockpits or other alternative/advanced Cockpit options." Now, I guess you could say that Drone OS is not a cockpit option, but it is an "alternative". I'm guessing it would require a rules clarification. If it were me, I'd say no, because it's like trying to load Windows and Unix on the same machine. You just can't do it without additional software that helps you.
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| Posted: 06-May-2015 23:32 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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battletech.rpg.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=mechtech_equipments&selected_type=6&selected_eqid=3
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Aerospace Smart Robotic Control System(ASRCS)
Independent Command Rules: Drones mounting ASRCS follow the Drone Independent Command Rules (see p. 191) to determine their actions in combat. ASRCS drones must note their Aggression Level at the start of game play and may not change them unless they receive an order from a Control Unit (see below). If an ASRCS drone is controlled by a Control Unit, the controlling player may change the Aggression Level during the End Phase of any turn. However, it does not take e ect until the Initiative Phase two turns after the change was issued. |
| wrote: | Caspar II ASRCS(Caspar II)
Drone Independent Command: Optimized to operate under the control of a DTACS-equipped Control Unit, the Caspar II system is also capable of extensive independent operations. Improved ltering limits the direct impact of electronic warfare and an enhanced logic system allows the Caspar II system to execute or fall back on an independent command decision tree. When operating independently, the Caspar II system will use the Drone Independent Command Event Decision Tree (see pp. 192-193) to determine how it will react to battle eld events.
A Caspar II drone can be set to Independent Command (IC) at the start of any turn. In addition any Caspar II drone that loses contact with its Control Unit will automatically revert to IC. The controlling player can announce at the start of any turn that any DTACS-equipped unit is taking direct control of an IC Caspar II drone (provided it is not exceeding the number of drones it can control). On the following turn that Caspar II drone will be under control of the DTACS-equipped unit. |
There is precedence of automated units being able to be commanded or controlled or left to their automation.
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| Posted: 07-May-2015 08:11 Post subject: Re: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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HA! I went to go post the question on the BT forums and noticed you had already done so. 
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| Posted: 07-May-2015 16:23 Post subject: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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Yup, I did so after your response.
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| Posted: 22-May-2015 17:27 Post subject: Celerity CLR-03-OE |
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Just to bring this horse back around, I saw a post asking if you could manually pilot a 'Mech with a Drone OS. The answer was No (bg.battletech.com/forums/tactical-operations/remote-controlled-and-drone-mechs/msg1071731).
I'm thinking if you can't manually pilot a 'Mech withb a Drone OS than a robotic cockpit wouldn't work either (for the same reason a standard one doesn't). Naturally, they haven't answered your question yet. But it stands to reason...
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