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CYBRN4CR
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 Posted: 25-Feb-2010 00:26 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Well I have a sick drive to seek perfection within things cannon. I was asking whether it wouldn't be beter to us the Stormcrow because there already is a 6/9 clan medium omni, so if someone wants to build another one, he'd better had a good reason to build it. I'm looking at designs as they were real hardware, so when there is another design it had better had a story behind it telling me why does it even exist. You don't build another tank when you can just modify the one you already have (reduces costs, spare parts...). Unless it's just a concept... |
My friend, we are equals. We have similar drives to perfect what exists, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. 8)
First, let me say that this is a concept. It's my personal "what if" moment with the designs the Clans used to invade the Inner Sphere with (plus others from the 3050 era). Eventually, I want to upgrade the Inner Sphere mechs too, maxing out their mechs with the best tech they got (C3 Tag Arrow IV Erppcs flamers etc). I guess what I'm building up to see is, "if all Clan designs weren't watered down, and the IS designs were the best they could be, what would the result be?" Would the Inner Sphere still have a shot? Or would these revamps make the Clans unstoppable? That's all I'm really getting at with my "revamp project."
So this isn't a whole new Nova. It's saying if the original 3050 Nova was THIS instead, how would things change?
Now the Stormcrow is very nice indeed, it's a 6/9 and has max to almost max armor, which is perfect in my book. I think it has both ferro/endo and I know it has an XL engine. Knowing this, it probably doesn't need a revamp by my standards. What makes the Nova need a revamp is the fact that it is slower, doesn't have max armor, and doesn't make use of both ferro/endo. I sought to rectify this and all it took was a modification of the base chassis. The varients simply strive to keep to the officials as much as possible while augmenting them according to my tastes.
Plus, what makes a Nova a Nova is its ability to jump. The Stormcrow can't, but it makes up for this by having more armor, and more tonnage/space to load weapons/heatsinks (being jump free and 5 tons heavier and all). Another difference is where the endo/ferro are locked. With my Nova's endo/ferro locked in the side torsos along with its jumpjets, the only place this Nova can load anything is in its arms, legs, head, and center torso. The Stormcrow) would probably spread the endo/ferro across the arms torsos and legs to have some space in the arms/torsos to mount equipment, etc. This will be the character preserving factor in my base chassis revamps, in addition to other base equipment, like the Executioner's MASC or the Warhawk's Targeting Computer.
I hope this makes sense, and that you can see where I'm coming from on this matter. 
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 11:27 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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Well, I've also had such tastes, but eventually I realized that the ultimate result for me was boredom. Once you take all the rational design upgrades far enough, you'll realize that all the 'Mech look alike and instead of a variety you have a uniformity in all but a name. That's especially true with Omni 'Mechs.
If you, for example, take the Mad Dog, Hellbringer, Summoner, Timber Wolf, Crossbow, and Ebon Jaguar, upgrade them with all available clan high tech materials (ES, FF, XL engine), then you'll eventually realize, that the best amount of tonnage left free for armour and equipment spot is split between the Summoner and the Timber Wolf with their 44,5 tons. (Money hoarders like me will reach for the Summoner probably). One chassis to fully replace them all, the rest are just superfluous luxury 8)
Aside from that I've already found out that clans already field a 5/8/5 ES, XL, FF, 50 t chassis - it's the Nobori-Nin / Huntsman. And the Srormcrow CAN jump. It's an omnimecn, which means that JJs can be installed on pods whenever you want.
That's the twisted beauty of the omni technology. You can install anything that doesn't violate the rules as long as there is enough tonnage left for it within one hour and mimic any configuration of any other 'Mech with relative ease.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 12:33 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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I've always liked the Cauldron-Born (Ebon Jaguar) myself. It has a cool look and some very interesting configs. Some of which even have a high heat curve! Fun to play. Nor does it get ENOUGH play, since only the freaking Jaguars had it.
Its actually one of the 'Mechs that my Wolverines will field as well. Having aquired it via the backchannel methods kept open by their Technician and Scientist castes. Of course, that's basically just a convenient excuse for me to use one of my favorites 
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 12:38 Post subject: My take on the Nova |
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Which should mean you only need a handful of omnis to arm your military and never have to worry about things again. Unless there is a major break through in technology, which doesn't seem likely in the BT universe any time soon.
New forms of Endo, no problem, as you said if it doesn't violate the rules...same for any thing else needed to make a mech...
I guess some folks have to learn this for themselves, I did send him the web page with the Mk1 Omnis, Hopefully he will see he is re-inventing the wheel and not really improving on it.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 14:31 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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Actually the TRO 3058 Upgrade says that the Ebon Jaguar has been spread far and wide among the clans with only the Wolf, Jade Falcon and Coyote clans do prefer the Hellbringer.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 14:44 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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| Karagin wrote: | Which should mean you only need a handful of omnis to arm your military and never have to worry about things again. Unless there is a major break through in technology, which doesn't seem likely in the BT universe any time soon.
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Well, you've already seen my ow efforts in this area. Jari Modular Tank and Swiftfire Modular Helicopter. I was considering some kind of naming convention, but I didn't like any of my ideas so far...
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New forms of Endo, no problem, as you said if it doesn't violate the rules...same for any thing else needed to make a mech...
I guess some folks have to learn this for themselves, I did send him the web page with the Mk1 Omnis, Hopefully he will see he is re-inventing the wheel and not really improving on it. |
Repetition is the mother of wisdom as they say. Perhaps there will be some new insights gained from these efforts. I like to question and have my own questions questioned in turn. I'd certainly like to see a design built with some kind of concept backing it.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 15:24 Post subject: My take on the Nova |
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I agree with you, a lot of mine are not the best in the world, hell I had them ripped apart around here and else where and some times the suggested changed work some times not. Some times the comments made don't hold up when they mech is actually used in the game.
Having an idea or concept behind what you are doing, other then trying to jam all the cool toys in to it, is something that a lot designs lack. We all make cool toy mechs, but at the same time most of us like mechs that have some thought put into them and offer the tactical player something to win with beyond sheer firepower or simple high tech wonder weapons.
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ralgith
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2010 16:28 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Actually the TRO 3058 Upgrade says that the Ebon Jaguar has been spread far and wide among the clans with only the Wolf, Jade Falcon and Coyote clans do prefer the Hellbringer. |
That explains it. I don't own that TRO
Of course, that justifies my Wolverines having it even MORE so, since those back channel connections I referred to are with more than one clan
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Karagin
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| Posted: 26-Feb-2010 02:22 Post subject: My take on the Nova |
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You may want to check out the Blake Documents Jihad book, it is the one that they try and fail to explain the whole why and what fors of the Jihad, skipping that part, they have two Clan Wolverine Mechs in there, not too shabby as far as mechs go and one is a logical spin on the older version and the other is a decent brawler/fire mech. These might help you or they might not.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 26-Feb-2010 07:15 Post subject: Re: My take on the Nova |
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| Karagin wrote: | | You may want to check out the Blake Documents Jihad book, it is the one that they try and fail to explain the whole why and what fors of the Jihad, skipping that part, they have two Clan Wolverine Mechs in there, not too shabby as far as mechs go and one is a logical spin on the older version and the other is a decent brawler/fire mech. These might help you or they might not. |
Unfortunately I don't have that one. I haven't even been able to find a working pdf of it either.
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