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Steel-Scorpion
Steel Scorpion Mercs.
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 Posted: 22-Feb-2006 03:39 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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30 ton artillery piece... Nice, very nice, that's going into my bag of tricks.
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House Calderon 1
Federated Suns
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2006 05:08 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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Ummmmm.....
"Houston we have a problem"....
Nightmare,
I like the idea but unless my pencil and paper calculator has failed me I totaled your variant at 31 tons.
Internal Structure 1.5
Engine 1
Gyro 1
Cockpit 3
Heat sinks 0
Armor 6
Total so far is 12.5
Arrow IV 16
Ammo 1
SL 0.5
Jump Jets 1
Total 31
Sacrifice 1 ton armor?
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2006 06:34 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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Arrow IV is 15 tons!
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2006 09:34 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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On 2006-02-22 03:39, Steel-Scorpion wrote:
30 ton artillery piece... Nice, very nice, that's going into my bag of tricks.
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Are you quite sure you actually want to use it in a city? Collateral damage is going to be horrible.
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mud
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2006 10:05 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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You're going to take serious collateral damage anytime you have 'mechs rumbling in a city. I wouldn't worry about it and focus on designing something that will kill the enemy, so that even if my city is a steaming heap of rubble at the end of the day, it's my steaming heap of rubble! 
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2006 10:20 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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Yes HMPro shows weapons and their ammo weight together, that would be those 16t.
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2006 01:22 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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On 2006-02-22 09:34, Nightmare wrote:
Are you quite sure you actually want to use it in a city? Collateral damage is going to be horrible.
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I think there wouldn´t be collateral damage!
You can destroy your enemy before he can even look at the city you are in! 
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Steel-Scorpion
Steel Scorpion Mercs.
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2006 02:48 Post subject: RE: Urban mech |
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I have played the role of City Defender more than i care to remember. I have only been defeated in that role, 3 times; to invading clan forces, verses 3025 machines. they paid for the victory, but it was a victory.
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Steel-Scorpion
Steel Scorpion Mercs.
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| Posted: 04-Apr-2006 12:31 Post subject: Urban Myth? |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Urbanmech UM-72R-S
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3058
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Modified design
Mass: 30 tons
Chassis: Republic-R Standard
Power Plant: 60 Leenex Fusion
Walking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 2 Pitban 6000 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 60 meters
Armor Type: Durallex Medium Standard
Armament:
1 ER PPC Capacitor
1 ER PPC
1 Medium Laser
1 Grenade Launcher
Manufacturer: Orguss Industries
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Dalban Interact
Targeting & Tracking System: Dalban Urban
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Type/Model: Urbanmech UM-72R-S
Mass: 30 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 51 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: 60 Fusion 6 1.50
Walking MP: 2
Running MP: 3
Jumping MP: 2
Heat Sinks: 12 Double [24] 30 2.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 2 LA, 1 RA, 3 LT, 4 RT)
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt.: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 105 pts Standard 0 7.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 10 16
Center Torso (Rear): 4
L/R Side Torso: 7 11/11
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 3/3
L/R Arm: 5 10/10
L/R Leg: 7 14/14
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER PPC Capacitor RA 5 1 1.00
1 ER PPC RA 15 3 7.00
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00
1 Grenade Launcher LT 1 1 .50
1 Targeting Computer LT 2 2.00
2 Standard Jump Jets: 2 1.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 CT)
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TOTALS: 24 67 30.00
Crits & Tons Left: 11 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,969,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 731
Cost per BV: 2,694.25
Weapon Value: 394 / 394 (Ratio = .54 / .54)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 14; MRDmg = 9; LRDmg = 6
BattleForce2: MP: 2J, Armor/Structure: 3/3
Damage PB/M/L: 3/2/1, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 7
Yet another variant of the Urbie; one of the surprises i pulled on my players on a Raiding Mission.
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Sleeping Dragon
Draconis Combine
Tai-i
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| Posted: 04-Apr-2006 13:02 Post subject: RE: Urban Myth? |
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Eh... stop pointing that PPC thing on me...
Experimental machine, but it's probably worth trying.
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House Calderon 1
Federated Suns
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| Posted: 04-Apr-2006 17:27 Post subject: RE: Urban Myth? |
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Nightmare, Rudel,
Right...15 tons! Oops..my apologies for the error and thanks for the correction.
Mud, is right it is MY steaming pile of rubble.
Ok...MRM variant would be nice too. CP can't produce it unfortunately.
Try this:
Type/Model: Urban Mech UM-R70-P
Mass: 30 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 58 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: Leenix 60 Fusion 6 1.50
Walking MP: 2
Running MP: 3
Jumping MP: 2
Heat Sinks: 10 Standard 10 0.00
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 0.00
Armor Factor: 104 pts Standard 0 6.00
(Armor Crit Loc: NA)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 101 11
Center Torso (Rear): 8
L/R Side Torso: 7 8/8
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 5 10/10
L/R Leg: 7 12/12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 LRM-20 RA 6 0 5 10.00
2 Ammo LRM-20 RT 0 18 3 3.00
1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1.00
1 Small Laser LT 1 1 0.50
2 Jump Jets CT 2 2 1.00
Significantly more range and punch.
Steel Scorpion,
I like the idea of the PPC, but still won't use level 3 stuff, nice surprise factor.
Rudel,
Your 2 Large laser version is nice too, like mine harder to surprise enemies with 2 large bore guns on the arm.
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
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| Posted: 05-Apr-2006 01:24 Post subject: RE: Urban Myth? |
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On 2006-04-04 17:27, House Calderon 1 wrote:
Nightmare, Rudel,
Right...15 tons! Oops..my apologies for the error and thanks for the correction.
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You´re welcome!
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Rudel,
Your 2 Large laser version is nice too, like mine harder to surprise enemies with 2 large bore guns on the arm.
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My initial success with this design was tremendous (as i´ve written!) but as soon as the next game i used this my friends got addopted to these tactics!  So i was dealing some heavy damage but got rooted soon!
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
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| Posted: 05-Apr-2006 01:27 Post subject: RE: Urban Myth? |
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Capacitor? TC? Grenadelauncher to cover retreat? A REAL laser?
I´d never believed that there can be a (how do you call it?) ubermunch-Urbie!
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Reality is where the Pizza-man comes from!'Gucken, petzen, verpissen!' (Look at it, squeal it, get the hell away from it!) – Motto of the recon troops'Artillery doesn´t know friend or foe! They only know worthwhile targets!‘ – Kuritan Infantrist
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Steel-Scorpion
Steel Scorpion Mercs.
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| Posted: 05-Apr-2006 14:04 Post subject: RE: Urban Myth? |
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On 2006-04-05 01:27, Rudel Gurken wrote:
Capacitor? TC? Grenadelauncher to cover retreat? A REAL laser?
I´d never believed that there can be a (how do you call it?) ubermunch-Urbie!
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I do not recall any unique and/or special weapons on the design. If you need a lesson in Garrison fulfillment, ask Motown Scrapper, Vagabond, or even Chihawk... they will all, i am sure, tell you that Defending a City with a unit that minimizes collateral damage is almost a requirement.
But if i need to explain the design so be it.
1.) PPC: Main weapon, used with the Capacitor when needed, yes it has a minimum range, however the TC (everyone seems to hate/loath) means that it's alot more likely to hit the Enemy instead of the Civilian population.
2.) Capacitor: used to boost the PPC when facing a larger force, either in numbers or tonnage.
3.) Granade Launcher: either to disperse riots (with tear gas cannisters), or to Frag infantry that stray to close, it is a must for Garrison units. It is mounted on a Turret, which for some reason is not on the TRO, giving the urbie coverage on all sides.
4.) Medium Laser: the secondary weapon used when things get close, or Heat requires it's use.
5.) Targeting Computer: Yes, its a little expensive, but on a cheap mech, it does make it more Desirable, especialy when your Population Demands it's protectors not destroy the city more than the invading force does.
6.) Jump Jets: These nifty things let you get around in tight spots, or to gain High ground. Again, a 'must have' in Urban warfare.
[ This Message was edited by: Steel-Scorpion on 2006-04-05 14:07 ]
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
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| Posted: 06-Apr-2006 01:49 Post subject: RE: Urban Myth? |
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On 2006-04-05 14:04, Steel-Scorpion wrote:
I do not recall any unique and/or special weapons on the design. If you need a lesson in Garrison fulfillment, ask Motown Scrapper, Vagabond, or even Chihawk... they will all, i am sure, tell you that Defending a City with a unit that minimizes collateral damage is almost a requirement.
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Oh, don´t get me wrong! I like this Urbie very much and i have no problem seeing the usefulness of it in a citydefense mission! (At least if you want to let the city survive your protection! )
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...1.) PPC: Main weapon, used with the Capacitor when needed, yes it has a minimum range, however the TC (everyone seems to hate/loath) means that it's alot more likely to hit the Enemy instead of the Civilian population.
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That version has an ER-PPC and so is perfect for cityfights! And i like especially the TC and use it in many of my designs myself!
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2.) Capacitor: used to boost the PPC when facing a larger force, either in numbers or tonnage.
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A perfect item for the Urbies fighting-style: Wait for the enemy with a loaded capacitor, blast him and jump to cover before he can properly react while loading your capacitor again!
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3.) Granade Launcher: either to disperse riots (with tear gas cannisters), or to Frag infantry that stray to close, it is a must for Garrison units. It is mounted on a Turret, which for some reason is not on the TRO, giving the urbie coverage on all sides.
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Another useful item but sadly it can be used only once!
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4.) Medium Laser: the secondary weapon used when things get close, or Heat requires it's use.
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A good supplement to any weapon. The small laser was too useless even in a cityfight.
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5.) Targeting Computer: Yes, its a little expensive, but on a cheap mech, it does make it more Desirable, especialy when your Population Demands it's protectors not destroy the city more than the invading force does.
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As i´ve said above i like TC´s. And i don´t think that they are so expensive: compare it to other electronics!
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6.) Jump Jets: These nifty things let you get around in tight spots, or to gain High ground. Again, a 'must have' in Urban warfare.
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Right! An Urbie without JJ´s is a creeping bunker and would be shot to pieces soon!
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