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 Posted: 23-Oct-2005 15:20 Post subject: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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On 2005-10-23, Karagin wrote:
Okay over all it's an okay mech. But your fluff has some issues. First you say the Trebuchet IIC was made before the Omnis and then you say the SLDF to the mech to the Pentagon worlds then to the IS.
That is confusing since if what you are saying is that the mech has been around since the first Clan Civil War then why would be new when they attack the Inner Sphere?
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Well the review is somewhat confusing to me. Trebuchet debuted few years before Kerensky left IS (that's why it was relatively new after first exodus). I thought that he took copies of all designs available with him, didn't he? Than came clan civil war, where those few Trebuchets (standard TBT-5Ns and 5Js) fought, but later, after the return of newly formed clans, they were moth balled as many other designs. Than, some twenty years later Cloud Cobras found them in one of their Brian Caches and redesigned them to IIC design.
I was unable to find, where it's said that the Trebuchet IIC was new when clans returned to IS. Design is from 2849 (long after the war, but before omnimech invention or invasion).
WiE produced testing run, because only Blood Spirits and Cloud Cobras produced it so far. They wanted to see the mech in action and prove the rentability of the IIC for them and maybe make some changes, if that's what confused you.
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| Posted: 23-Oct-2005 18:19 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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What I am trying to ask is IF this was new BEFORE Kerensky left, and still got made in the IS, which group made it before the Clan Civil War and why was it kept in production etc...
Your wording and the missing info IMHO lead to a very confusing reading of the fluff.
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| Posted: 23-Oct-2005 23:46 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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On 2005-10-23 18:19, Karagin wrote:
What I am trying to ask is IF this was new BEFORE Kerensky left, and still got made in the IS, which group made it before the Clan Civil War and why was it kept in production etc...
Your wording and the missing info IMHO lead to a very confusing reading of the fluff.
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Do remember he is a Czech and English is not his native language. I've spoken with him at length in our chatroom here, and sometimes things he says can be cryptic, but as far as I'm concerned he speaks excellent english.
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2005 03:33 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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On 2005-10-23 18:19, Karagin wrote:
What I am trying to ask is IF this was new BEFORE Kerensky left, and still got made in the IS, which group made it before the Clan Civil War and why was it kept in production etc...
Your wording and the missing info IMHO lead to a very confusing reading of the fluff.
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2780: according to TBT-5N Trebuchet fluff from TRO 3025 first production run (made by Corean Enterprises).
2784: ... 80% of SLDF undertakes Operation Exodus ... (So when Kerensky (Alexander) left IS, TBT-5N was relatively new design.)
2821: ... Clans return to Pentagon Worlds, Exodus Civil Wars end. (Trebuchets (still 5N and maybe 5Js) mothballed)
2849: Cloud Cobras finish the Trebuchet IIC redesign.
2854: ... Clan Coyote invents the OmniMech.
When I wrote about Trebuchet, I meant just Trebuchet (TBT-5N), not Trebuchet IIC. I made the fluff with Master Time line before me.
Original Trebuchet was made in IS, and I thought that some those few that traveled with SLDF to Pentagon Worlds survived (as testbed you need only one, so one lance worth of them is enough to provide inspiration). Than in 2849 Cloud Cobras started production of IICs, but thanks to OmniMech invention five years later it was even less interesting for warriors than before and only Blood Spirits took some interest in the design.
Of you want to know which faction produced after first exodus in clan space, than I think that it actually doesn't matter that much but probably both sides (those who stayed and newly created clans) maintained the mechs they had and maybe cobbled together few new mechs from spare parts to fill the gaps from looses.
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2005 03:34 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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Far from excellent, but thanks anyway 
I think that Karagin is concerned with info contained in the fluff rather than grammar.
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| Posted: 28-Oct-2005 11:02 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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Just out of curiosity, do you have some rating system, or you just rate "as I like it"?
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| Posted: 28-Oct-2005 17:05 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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I normally look at the fluff, what the mech has as far as weapons and what it's role is. Then I think about how I would use it and go from there.
Unless the unit is so munchy and the one here wasn't, that all it's built for is to win at all cost then I normally give it the lowest rating possible and point out the issues I have with munchkin mechs.
I do like the Trebuchet IIC, I am just trying to get a better understand of the fluff and thus know what the history is about the unit and why the Clans revivsed this one.
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| Posted: 29-Oct-2005 06:52 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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Hmm, interesting. I looked at your reviews (from your profile, not that I would search for them in TRO ) and found that you rarely give rating above 2.5 (only two if I recall it correctly, PXH-17 and WHM-17). Is this sign that most of the other designs are actually just below average fluff-wise?
To answer your question. I usually don't make make fluff to this depth, I'm glad if I actually force me to make some fluff at all. It's just fire support mech made for garrison and solamha clusters, as the other IICs it haven't seen front line duty for long years (except the Blood Spirit mechs, because the Spirits field many mechs like this one). Trebuchet is mobile missile support / long range fighter of stable, but not outstanding performance. Like with the other IICs, clans made many refits of common IS mechs, but TRO doesn't say much about them.
The reason for making TBT IIC is that the Cobras needed second line mech to fill the holes in touman, be it after bloody trial, or simply because they increased the size of military assets or gained some holdings and needed to maintain some units there (I haven't thought about this before, but there is always some reason  ).
The reason for keeping it in production (especially for clan BS) is the need for mechs (BS even traded naval assets for second line mechs) and low cost (the mech is even cheaper than original TBT-5N).
I must apologize for such long-winded answer, but I try to answer all questions around my designs as much as I can.
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| Posted: 29-Oct-2005 10:00 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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If you or anyone else reads the reviews, I normally give a brief POV and then I pick the number part.
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| Posted: 30-Oct-2005 14:10 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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Well, thanks for answering few questions for curious warrior.
Is there something you want to know from me?
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| Posted: 30-Oct-2005 14:18 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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You answered everything, I was just confused with the fluff. I plan on giving the mech a good run or two once I get the chance...just need to find a couple of players here at Ft. Hood Texas...
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| Posted: 30-Oct-2005 14:31 Post subject: RE: Karagin's User Review: Trebuchet IIC |
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Old continent lives in fear from bird flu, but BT players already suffer from even deadlier disease, the lack of other players living nearby 
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